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Thomas Jefferson's war on Islam

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“~The real reason Thomas Jefferson owned a copy of the Quran~

A 232 Year History of our fight against Islam & why it is no longer taught in our public schools...

When Thomas Jefferson saw there was no negotiating with Muslims, he formed what is now the Marines (sea going soldiers). These Marines were attached to U. S. Merchant vessels. When the Muslims attacked U.S. merchant vessels they were repulsed by armed soldiers, but there is more.

The Marines followed the Muslims back to their villages and killed every man, woman, and child in the village.

It didn't take long for the Muslims to leave U.S. Merchant vessels alone.

English and French merchant vessels started running up our flag when entering the Mediterranean to secure safe travel.

Why the Marine Hymn contains the verse, "To the Shores of Tripoli ".

This is very interesting and a must read piece of our history. It points out where we may be heading.

Most Americans are unaware of the fact that over two hundred years ago the United States had declared war on Islam, and Thomas Jefferson led the charge!

At the height of the 18th century, Muslim pirates (the "Barbary Pirates") were the terror of the Mediterranean and a large area of the North Atlantic
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They attacked every ship in sight, and held the crews for exorbitant ransoms. Those taken hostage were subjected to barbaric treatment and wrote heart-breaking letters home, begging their governments and families to pay whatever their Mohammedan captors demanded.

These extortionists of the high seas represented the North African Islamic nations of Tripoli, Tunis , Morocco , and Algiers - collectively referred to as the Barbary Coast - and presented a dangerous and unprovoked threat to the new American Republic .

Before the Revolutionary War, U.S. merchant ships had been under the protection of Great Britain . When the U.S. declared its independence and entered into war, the ships of the United States were protected by France.

However, once the war was won, America had to protect its own fleets.

Thus, the birth of the U.S. Navy. Beginning in 1784, 17 years before he would become president, Thomas Jefferson became America's Minister to France. That same year, the U.S. Congress sought to appease its Muslim adversaries by following in the footsteps of European nations who paid bribes to the Barbary States rather than engaging them in war.

In July of 1785, Algerian pirates captured American ships, and the Dye of Algiers demanded an unheard-of ransom of $60,000. It was a plain and simple case of extortion, and Thomas Jefferson was vehemently opposed to any further payments.

Instead, he proposed to Congress the formation of a coalition of allied nations who together could force the Islamic states into peace. A disinterested Congress decided to pay the ransom.

In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripoli's ambassador to Great Britain to ask by what right his nation attacked American ships and enslaved American citizens, and why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.

The two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran that all nations who would not acknowledge their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise."

Despite this stunning admission of premeditated violence on non-Muslim nations, as well as the objections of many notable American leaders, including George Washington, who warned that caving in was both wrong and would only further embolden the enemy, for the following fifteen years, the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages.

The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to over 20 percent of the United States government annual revenues in 1800.

Jefferson was disgusted. Shortly after his being sworn in as the third President of the United States in 1801, the Pasha of Tripoli sent him a note demanding the immediate payment of $225,000 plus $25,000 a year for every year forthcoming.

That changed everything.

Jefferson let the Pasha know, in no uncertain terms, what he could do with his demand. The Pasha responded by cutting down the flagpole at the American consulate and declared war on the United States.

Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers immediately followed suit.

Jefferson, until now, had been against America raising a naval force for anything beyond coastal defense, but, having watched his nation be cowed by Islamic thuggery for long enough, decided that it was finally time to meet force with force.

He dispatched a squadron of frigates to the Mediterranean and taught the Muslim nations of the Barbary Coast a lesson he hoped they would never forget. Congress authorized Jefferson to empower U.S. ships to seize all vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli and to "cause to be done all other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war would justify".

When Algiers and Tunis, who were both accustomed to American cowardice and acquiescence, saw the newly independent United States had both the will and the right to strike back, they quickly abandoned their allegiance to Tripoli.

The war with Tripoli lasted for four more years, and raged up again in 1815. The bravery of the U.S. Marine Corps in these wars led to the line "to the shores of Tripoli" in the Marine Hymn, and they would forever be known as "leathernecks" for the leather collars of their uniforms, designed to prevent their heads from being cut off by the Muslim scimitars when boarding enemy ships.

Islam, and what its Barbary followers justified doing in the name of their prophet and their god, disturbed Jefferson quite deeply.

America had a tradition of religious tolerance. In fact Jefferson, himself, had co-authored the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, but fundamentalist Islam was like no other religion the world had ever seen.

A religion based on supremacy, whose holy book not only condoned but mandated violence against unbelievers, was unacceptable to him.

His greatest fear was that someday this brand of Islam would return and pose an even greater threat to the United States .

This should concern every American.

It's death by a thousand cuts, or inch-by-inch as some refer to it, and most Americans have no idea that this battle is being waged every day across America. By not fighting back, by allowing groups to obfuscate what is really happening, and not insisting that the Islamists adapt to our culture, the United States is cutting its own throat with a politically correct knife, and helping to further the Islamists' agenda.

Sadly, it appears that today many of America's leaders would rather be politically correct than victorious!
 
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This is 100% correct AC; there's a link that I'll find that shows how they are rapidly 'out-breeding' the West and it's only a matter of time until we will be overwhelmed.

Too bad TJ's dim party of today has no balls or anything that goes with it like he did...
 
This is 100% correct AC; there's a link that I'll find that shows how they are rapidly 'out-breeding' the West and it's only a matter of time until we will be overwhelmed.

Too bad TJ's dim party of today has no balls or anything that goes with it like he did...
Christchurch guy?
 
I'm sure the guy who wrote the Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom was really concerned about the Muslim birth rate

Well the guy who wrote the Declaration of Independence also had a 13 year old sex slave so we probably so we should probably get over the fact that we can justify anything and everything just by quoting a founding father. Their wisdom and moral authority was selective and also tended to be fairly self serving.
 
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Well the guy who wrote the Declaration of Independence also had a 13 year old sex slave so we probably so we should probably get over the fact that we can justify anything and everything just by quoting a founding father. Their wisdom and moral authority was selective and also tended to be fairly self serving.
At least on slavery you can point to his slaves as evidence he believed in slavery. What can we point to for religious intolerance? Fighting pirates?
 
Well the guy who wrote the Declaration of Independence also had a 13 year old sex slave so we probably so we should probably get over the fact that we can justify anything and everything just by quoting a founding father. Their wisdom and moral authority was selective and also tended to be fairly self serving.

And Martin Luther King Jr said homosexuality is a mental illness. I happen to agree with him which is why I still celebrate MLK day.
 
Well the guy who wrote the Declaration of Independence also had a 13 year old sex slave so we probably so we should probably get over the fact that we can justify anything and everything just by quoting a founding father. Their wisdom and moral authority was selective and also tended to be fairly self serving.

Slavery is self evidently indefensible at any point in our history, however historical cultural context is a thing worth considering before throwing the baby out with the bath water regarding Jefferson’s credibility as a founder. That’s lazy. The documents (DOI and US Constitution along with other supporting documents) have stood the rest of time and provided the backbone for liberty and prosperity for anyone who works for it. He was flawed and imperfect, yet was the right man at the right time for the birth of the greatest nation in the history of man. They all were. Virtually biblical in that regard.
 
Well the guy who wrote the Declaration of Independence also had a 13 year old sex slave so we probably so we should probably get over the fact that we can justify anything and everything just by quoting a founding father. Their wisdom and moral authority was selective and also tended to be fairly self serving.

nothing to do with original OP

might as well tear up the constitution
 
He was flawed and imperfect, yet was the right man at the right time for the birth of the greatest nation in the history of man. They all were. Virtually biblical in that regard.

sounds like trump

and otards attempt at wealth redistribution
 
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That’s the eventual plan with the whole “the founders were bad guys” argument.
If the strength of the constitution rests on slaveholders being good guys then it is probably doomed.
 
If the strength of the constitution rests on slaveholders being good guys then it is probably doomed.

gottdam this is ignorant

you must think a bunch of gender equity snowflakes held the beachhead at anzio

so you can live from the shadow of the nazis
and the peacenik japanese empire
 
Your point was that the strength of the constitution is that slaveholders were good people?
You are the seed that falls on rocky ground is the parable of the sower.
 
Every single person is a product of their times. Judging anyone from the past by our modern day standards of propriety is an absolute fool’s errand. The fact reasonable people have allowed this to happen is a sad commentary on our country’s national & historical discourse.
Lots of people didn't own slaves while talking about all men being created equal, even in the late 18th century.
 
This is 100% correct AC; there's a link that I'll find that shows how they are rapidly 'out-breeding' the West and it's only a matter of time until we will be overwhelmed.

Too bad TJ's dim party of today has no balls or anything that goes with it like he did...

The problem is in the west. Today I noticed the number one name of baby boys in Berlin is/was Muhammad (and there are more derivations to put here).

The predominantly Muslim countries will kill each other off because one sect believes you can do this or that and the other doesn’t.
 
Every single person is a product of their times. Judging anyone from the past by our modern day standards of propriety is an absolute fool’s errand. The fact reasonable people have allowed this to happen is a sad commentary on our country’s national & historical discourse.
Ooo, that's good.
Wish I'd thunk of it. :)
 
If the strength of the constitution rests on slaveholders being good guys then it is probably doomed.

You’ve said some ignorant ass things before but man this may take the cake.

Context of the times, context of the times and context of the times that is the prism any person should look at history through. If you can’t then you’re part of an ever widening problem of historically ignorant buffoons. When a statue, flag, 100 year past wrong or hat can set you off you’re really gigantic weasel, along with others strung to your same train of thought.
 
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MLK said gays are loony toons. Are you going to ignore his contributions to society?
Who is talking about ignoring contributions? I'm extolling TJ's views on religious tolerance in this very thread.
 
You’ve said some ignorant ass things before but man this may take the cake.

Context of the times, context of the times and context of the times that is the prism any person should look at history through. If you can’t then you’re part of an ever widening problem of historically ignorant buffoons. When a statue, flag, 100 year past wrong or hat can set you off you’re really gigantic weasel, along with others strung to your same train of thought.
If you think the goodness of the constitution relies on the goodness of fallible founders than that's a weak understanding of history and you probably are a poor defender of the constitution.
 
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If you think the goodness of the constitution relies on the goodness of fallible founders than that's a weak understanding of history and you probably are a poor defender of the constitution.

To an extent it likely relies on the "goodness" of their idealism and ability to think strategically while looking forward over the dimension of time.
 
To an extent it likely relies on the "goodness" of their idealism and ability to think strategically while looking forward over the dimension of time.
Yes and the proof is in the pudding. The constitution is good because of the fruit it bears, not because it is the fruit of good people.
 
OP T. Jefferson fought religious tests tooth and toenail. They had them in colonial America and he hated them, as did the majority of our founding fathers. One of them (memory fails) opined that failure to require Christians in public service would even allow a jew or muslim to hold public office!
 
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