I don't know, just generally. It just seems like you're supportive more than before. I guess since the election.
This Russian lawyer lady...
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I don't know, just generally. It just seems like you're supportive more than before. I guess since the election.
I am. The more I see the hysteria from the media and the establishment, the constant attacks, and apocalyptic fear mongering the more I side with the guy and hope he knocks itbout of the park as President.
As far as this Don Jr meeting goes; so far it's nothing more than a political sin. And it's one that has been repeated over and over through various elections in our history. Does it look bad? Hell yeah. But it's nothing really new. Meeting to get dirt on an opponent is not illegal, even if the dirt was obtained illegally. Anyone claiming that getting information violates campaign finance laws is insane. As long as he wasn't involved in obtaining it illegally it's protected under the first amendment. Of course, you know this so I'm not trying to preach.
Just listen to Dershowitz on this deal. Even if Trump met with Putin and made a deal such as help me get elected and I'll ease sanctions it still wouldn't be illegal. Reagan did it with the hostages so Carter wouldn't get credit and those people had to spend an extra month in prison.
For any of this to be illegal it would have to be blatant. And I'm sorry, there's just nothing there like that. It's all a bunch of hysteria for the most part over being butt hurt.
Per Clara Peller: Where's the beef?
that's the question
she gets in the country via lynchmob giving her a pass
she solicits meeting with jr under the guise of dirt
jr takes bait
leads to the fisa warrant
press gets wind of meeting
jr admits meeting
lawyer gets in on lynchmob pass
and the circle is completed
there are people out there
that operate just like this
post above should now include after meeting with jr
traveled d.c. with 13 term hildefraudcankle supporter ron "i didn't think the web would be unspun a year later" dellums
No.
I am waiting on facts that may or may not be there.
Instead of like many, deciding that there are no facts to wait for and advocating that the investigation just stop.
So why pay attention now? The reporting on this has been about nothing. We know the DNC did interfere not only with their own primaries, but with debate questions - those are facts - why not talk about an actual story of election interference?
Since December we've had no-stop reporting about potential Russia ties to Trump. The reason for reporting is not because something is newsworthy to report, but to imply and undermine Trump. I was never a Trump guy, but it is painfully obvious that the media is heavy anti-Trump.
With so many reporters and news organizations salivating to find dirt on Trump don't you think we would have something by now?? How long does it take?
I am on record preferring that EVERYBODY ON BOTH SIDES just shut up about Russia until the Mueller investigation is complete and we have results.
Clearly nobody on either side has complied with my preferences.
I am also on record not trusting or relying on the MSM because I believe the majority of it is biased. I prefer source records and actual on the record statements from the parties themselves. I too wish there was more reporting of facts and less use of confidential unnamed sources intermixed with political commentary.
At the same time, when Junior releases source documents in the form of emails, I'm gonna read them and draw my own conclusions. I also believe that news agencies are justified on reporting on that.
As for your last two questions, many people would respond that "dirt" on Trump has been found and disclosed, but Trumpies just dismiss it. These Junior e-mails are pretty "dirty" in my opinion and I'm seeing people right here describing them as nothing or coming up will elaborate theories on why he should be given a pass.
My developing gut level instinct reaction regarding the whole "Russia thing" is that the Russian government was actively baiting and digging for dirt regarding both Hill and the Donald. Doing any and everything they could to dirty up whichever candidate was ultimately elected, and they were successful with both of them.
I believe they didn't particularly have a preferred candidate as much as they were interested in sowing doubt, dissent, and division throughout the entire American political system.
That folds in nicely with my entire cynical they are all corrupt and dirty worldview.
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makes sense
hillary lost
the socially conservative repubtards lost
sending putin a bottle of titos
That makes a hell of a lot more sense than the narrative that NZ is trying to push in this thread.
Deflect, deflect, deflect.
Russia, Russia, Russia.
Hillary, Hillary, Hillary.
Russia, Russia, Russia.
Hillary, Hillary, Hillary.
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Although it's been known for some time here's an article about John McCain being involved in digging for dirt (or yellow stained bed sheets) about Trump.
The dossier.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...usted-aide-Atlantic-dirty-dossier-ex-spy.html
The dossier.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...usted-aide-Atlantic-dirty-dossier-ex-spy.html
After reading this thread I have decided to make burgers for dinner.
I don't disagree. But you've got to find it funny how the roles reversed. When Hillary clearly broke the laws regarding securing Top Secret documents as SOS, Republicans were chanting "lock her up" and the MSM and Dems were saying its just a conspiracy. Now there's some evidence that Trump associates did meet with some Russian's, the Dems are screaming "Impeach...Treason" and the Repubs are saying its just a conspiracy. The thing that is most interesting to me is that this clearly shows the MSM bias. If they ever cared enough to go full watchdog on all the BS in D.C. (and not just the Trump dirt), we might actually get some politicians (from both sides) that were slightly less corrupt. But after 20 years of the MSM just saying "meh.." to the scandals and the corruption and even being in bed with it themselves, I find it hard to suddenly care that the Trump's might be a bit dirty themselves.
welcome to the dirtiest, nastiest, business there is. There is nothing worse.
Personally, I don't find it funny.
I find it nauseating.
They both do the exact same thing while point the finger at the other....the public as a whole starts not caring that one (their) side is dirty because "look at the other side"....and the end result is an election where the primary positive of a candidate is that they aren't the other candidate.
Yep. What's sad is that if we had a neutral media that actually held both sides accountable it would get better. But its clear the media outlets have attached themselves to either the Red or Blue team and have completely given up any notion of impartiality.
None of the national TV ones aren't pro-globalism, although you could argue that Fox isn't pro-open borders. But even sites like Breitbart which isn't pro-globalism has chosen sides. They are just as much a mouthpiece for Trump and his positions as CNN is for the DNC.
For the record, this is actually due to the commercialization of the media. Fact is, people don't like to read or hear the truth about their own side. So being even-handed actually just leads to having no viewers as each side turns your channel off the first time their own team is criticized.
Remember when he tried to lecture us all on the term "whataboutism" a few months ago? That's still the most ironic post I think I've ever seen on this site.
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You should check out him advising us to "do your own research" in the Gloria Steinem thread he started then.
Agree completely, with one caveat. Even though there is media on both sides, let's not pretend it is anywhere close to balanced. The MSM is heavily liberal (although I would entertain the idea that CNN is not so much liberal, but instead they are just fervently anti-Trump).
Surely, you aren't implying that the vast majority of NZ's posts are a copy and paste from the /pol/ board?You should check out him advising us to "do your own research" in the Gloria Steinem thread he started then.
Next thing you know, he'll start posting the same tweet in one thread multiple times.
What I learned ITT? Critical thinking is largely gone from this board...
Russia, Russia, Russia
Obama, Obama, Obama. OR Hillary, Hillary, Hillary
The two sides of the same coin.
Obama, Obama, Obama. OR Hillary, Hillary, Hillary
The two sides of the same coin.
Holy crap, yes. When the best rationalization you can come up with is "well it isn't so and so," you have lost all rights to criticize the voting of others. I have enjoyed watching the deflection on this board from those that were adamantly opposed to Trump in the primaries. If the whole investigation comes up with nothing of significance, it will be "fun" watching this play out. If something does come up, I will be interested in watching the back-tracking. As of now, seems like typical politics....kinda makes Trump just another sleazy politician. So much for him being "one of us."
