This Russian lawyer lady...
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So Clinton colluded with the Russians to trap/trick Trump campaign into colluding with the Russians.
That is some 5-D ish right there.
" Perhaps the only thing we 'understand' about this story with any level of real clarity is Jared Kushner's seemingly logical decision to leave the meeting with Veselnitskaya after only 5-10 minutes."
No.
We understand quite a bit more than that.
No.
We understand quite a bit more than that.
I haven't been following this story at all, because I am sick of hearing about "Russian collusion." Please enlighten me as to what is understood.
Nah.
Do your own research.
Not interested in trying to enlighten the admittedly willfully uninformed.
Of course, because that is so much more believable than the possibility that Trump and his associates colluded with Russians to influence the election.
NZ coming in strong with the pro-Russia sources. Apparently, he is ready to go all in lol.
NZ, I'm just curious...do you believe we actually sent astronauts to the moon or was it all staged and directed by Stanley Kubrick?
"b. Human. At the same time the Trump server was supposedly contacting Alfa Bank, Goldstone sets up the meeting with Natalia V, making sure to use key words and tricky phrases that implicate Russian gov't involvement. Timing being concurrent with the forged DNS server logs is not a coincidence. Fusion used pre-existing relationship with Natalia (she's Fusion GPS client and Russian oligarch Katsyv's defense lawyer in a massive racketeering case, along with having many other connections to Fusion) to use her as a diversion. In combination with the electronic data above, FISA warrant issued."
Tricky phrases such as "obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump,”....
"The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father."....
That he was scheduling a meeting with a "Russian government lawyer" to engage in (Baby DJT's words) "oppo research"?
Those tricky words?
I was joking when I made the Clinton colludes with Russia to get Trump to collide with Russia Five D chess comment.
I am flabbergasted at the fact that you're actually going with that.
Tricky phrases such as "obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump,”....
"The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father."....
That he was scheduling a meeting with a "Russian government lawyer" to engage in (Baby DJT's words) "oppo research"?
Those tricky words?
I was joking when I made the Clinton colludes with Russia to get Trump to collide with Russia Five D chess comment.
I am flabbergasted at the fact that you're actually going with that.
JD what do you think the shelf-life is of "the Russians did it" discussion? This is starting to remind me of "racism" cry. The more you hear it the more indifferent you get.
If someone has done something illegal (different than stupid) they need to go to jail and be forever disgraced!
If someone has done something illegal (different than stupid) they need to go to jail and be forever disgraced!
In trying to get your head around it, I'd suggest referring to Occam's razor and all that.
Junior received e-mails directly advising him a Russian government representative had valuable oppo research on Hillary.
He jumped at the chance to meet. Did in fact meet.
That was incredibly ill advised and possibly illegal.
At a minimum, it is a helluva lot more smoke justifying the continued investigation.
Unless we are at war with Russia then meeting with and receiving ZERO information from a Russian is not a crime. Even if you thought they might give you information.
Have you simply considered that perhaps, just perhaps, there is no grand conspiracy and the Trumps may have colluded with the Russians to influence the election?
In case you are late to the film you can just ignore her role, she is nothing more than a mcguffin.
First it doesn't matter if we are at war with Russia, and second, how do you know nothing was received? We don't know that yet.
We do know Jr. said this though...
"If it's what you say I love it especially later this summer."
Interesting subject matter for this Russian lawyer to be posting, who wants to collude with Trump:
The weaponized autistics at /pol/ archived her Facebook page. LOL
http://archive.is/mdSre
The weaponized autistics at /pol/ archived her Facebook page. LOL
http://archive.is/mdSre
I'm officially on record advocating that everyone would be involved would be well served to just shut up and let the investigation take its course.
On this site, the only people I see starting new "Russia, Russia, Russia" posts are those trying to kill the story. You can't kill a story by continuing to bring it up and attacking it. That is the very definition of the Streisand effect phenomenon.
Additionally, Trump and Trump supporters consistently tweet about it, release e-mails detailing meetings with Russia, and seemingly deliberately keep it in the news. Probably because playing the victim of "fake news" plays well to his base.
The shelf life of the Russia story/narrative...for me....is however long it takes for Mueller to complete his investigation and announce the results. For true Trump opponents it has a shelf life of forever I would imagine. For Trumpies/Trumpets, the shelf life has already expired and it's a dead issue.
I'm a Trump opponent and I share the same shelf life as you do. I want to see the Mueller report.
I'll revise my statement.
Many....probably a substantial majority....of Trump opponents will hold on to the Russia narrative as long as Trump is President. Possibly even after he is gone.
You still trying to wrap your head around it or are you now advocating for the "Clinton colluded with Russia to trick the Trump campaign into colluding with Russia" narrative?
Because he kinda looks like you're advocating with this non-critical spamming.
Go the next step.....
In bed together....to trick Trump election into attempting to collude with the Russians?
C'mon NZ. I have faith in you. Draw an actual conclusion. Take a stand instead of just trying to throw shade.
Hard for me to believe that there was collusion with Russia if the best the Trump campaign could do was eagerly respond to an unsolicited meeting request that could result in getting some dirt on Hillary. Collusion means some ongoing communication and joint strategy. Of course, there could be more out there, but this isn't collusion.Of course, because that is so much more believable than the possibility that Trump and his associates colluded with Russians to influence the election.
NZ coming in strong with the pro-Russia sources. Apparently, he is ready to go all in lol.
It's looking like, and more.
Check out this new video, nicely sums up what we've learned so far, and asks some provactive questions:
I give up, this is beyond crazy.
How can everything be a conspiracy?
How can everything be a conspiracy?
Is that a yes?
Junior was tricked/entrapped into attempting to collude with Russian government reps to obtain promised oppo research?
Because some people refuse to accept that which challenges their most cherished beliefs, disrupts their worldview, or forces them to acknowledge the troubling aspects of life.
Thus, they create conspiracies which help them "get their head around it."
Wow.....
So now it's possible there was attempts to collude with Russia by the son of the candidate, the President's present advisor in the White House, and the candidate's campaign manager at the time......but they were tricked/entrapped into it.
That sure as hell doesn't sound like a "nothing burger" or "fake news" to me.
Sounds like something definitely worth a full investigation, IMO.
Serious question: Where is the "collusion"? Doesn't collusion require some form of quid pro quo? Was DJT Jr's mere act of meeting with a Russian lawyer sufficient enough evidence for collusion? I just don't see what was illegal about it. Naïve, sure. But not illegal.
From the outside looking in (with a mind unaffected by Trump Derangement Syndrome), seems to me we should be looking at deep state collusion when factoring in her (a) expired visa and (b) photo ops with McCain.
It's interesting to me that you make a decla
It's interesting to me that you make a declarative statement, "We understand quite a bit more than that," but you are reluctant to expound on what more we know.
