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This is very worrying

Our soldiers die for freedom of speech but they get none? Would they be better off burning our flag, or maybe the military does not allow it. It is all just very confusing. If you do kill someone in combat what kind of statement is that? Guess a legal combat killing is better than making a political statement and makes no political statement.

This is the problem with true war, there are no rules it is kill or be killed. But we can sleep well on it at night if somehow we take a higher road before, during, and after our killing.

Best thing to do is not got to war, if you do best thing to do is to kill your enemy as fast as possible and crush them so bad they never, ever, want to jack with you again.
 
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Having a son in law who is career Army I can tell you he and all of his circle of military friends were very happy when Trump won. He tells me 99 out 100 service members he knows couldn't stand the last Commander in Chief and were dreading serving under Hillary.

This is just some Navy guys who were showing support and probably didn't know that supporting the current President was considered political speech.
 
The US Military as an organization must remain politically neutral, we serve the Constitution, and the country, not an Individual. Hitler changed the Wehrmacht oath making members swear allegiance to him instead of Germany

There are two stupid things going on here.

1. Somebody attached an unauthorized flag to a vehicle.

2. Somebody takes the act of a few people and, gripped with hysteria, compares Trump to Hitler.
 
When Trump starts killing mass civilians because of their race or religion then I will compare him to Hitler. It is disrespectful to those who lost loved ones and suffered through the Holocaust to throw the Hitler name around like some people do.
 
Bro, some much in the past 2 weeks you would be flipping out about if it weren't coming from or supportive of Team Trump.
What exactly would I be flipping out about? 0bama and his team did plenty of nefarious bullshit that didn't result in rioting, mass protest, calling for military coups, calling for assassination, comparing him to someone like Hitler, complete hysteria, etc.

I've never been prone to paranoid and delusional thought. That's exactly what the left has going right now. Literally.
 
Our soldiers die for freedom of speech but they get none? Would they be better off burning our flag, or maybe the military does not allow it. It is all just very confusing. If you do kill someone in combat what kind of statement is that? Guess a legal combat killing is better than making a political statement and makes no political statement.

This is the problem with true war, there are no rules it is kill or be killed. But we can sleep well on it at night if somehow we take a higher road before, during, and after our killing.

Best thing to do is not got to war, if you do best thing to do is to kill your enemy as fast as possible and crush them so bad they never, ever, want to jack with you again.
No they do not..............When in the Military you give up many of your rights of a normal citizen, you even have to abide by your own set of laws..., the UCMJ.......along with civilian laws.........as we were always told......we are there to defend democracy, not practice it
 
Having a son in law who is career Army I can tell you he and all of his circle of military friends were very happy when Trump won. He tells me 99 out 100 service members he knows couldn't stand the last Commander in Chief and were dreading serving under Hillary.

This is just some Navy guys who were showing support and probably didn't know that supporting the current President was considered political speech.

Hard to believe they didn't know if they are SEALs. It means they aren't brand new recruits to the navy but are instead seasoned troops who should have a pretty firm grasp of navy regulations. We used to get the Hatch act brief every election season
 
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I'm still a little confused why displaying the name of the current Commander in Chief is forbidden. If you've ever been to a military base you'll see all kinds of flags in peoples work spaces. Mostly sports teams, schools or states but you'll see other stuff. The military isn't that strict about that kind of thing as long as it's not offensive.
 
Hitler changed the Wehrmacht oath making members swear allegiance to him instead of Germany
Anyone ITT construing this sentence to be "hysterical", "disrespectful", or anything more than an observation needs to get back on their meds...

The sensitivity/insecurity about DJT is amusing and very unlike the people who used to post on this board. Trump snowflakes everywhere now...
 
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When I was in the Navy, one of my cousins was running for the US Senate. I wore a campaign button for months and nobody said a thing.
 
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Anyone ITT construing this sentence to be "hysterical", "disrespectful", or anything more than an observation needs to get back on their meds...

The sensitivity/insecurity about DJT is amusing and very unlike the people who used to post on this board. Trump snowflakes everywhere now...

Hysteria. Somebody will get burned for this. It won't happen again. It's over.
 
When Trump starts killing mass civilians because of their race or religion then I will compare him to Hitler. It is disrespectful to those who lost loved ones and suffered through the Holocaust to throw the Hitler name around like some people do.
Maybe you should say something before the mass killing begins.
 
Anyone ITT construing this sentence to be "hysterical", "disrespectful", or anything more than an observation needs to get back on their meds...

The sensitivity/insecurity about DJT is amusing and very unlike the people who used to post on this board. Trump snowflakes everywhere now...

I'm not sensitive or insecure re Trump at all. I didn't vote for him nor support him at any juncture of the campaign (I'll gladly admit I prefer him to Madame Clinton). I just enjoy calling out batshit crazy stuff, and this fills the bill.

When you say "Hitler changed the Wehrmacht oath making members swear allegiance to him instead of Germany", in a thread in which you post a lone military vehicle flying a Trump flag that you then entitle "This is Worrying". It's hysterical hand wringing; it isn't just "an observation".

Prior to this post, the word disrespectful appears in exactly one post in this thread.
 
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I'm still a little confused why displaying the name of the current Commander in Chief is forbidden. If you've ever been to a military base you'll see all kinds of flags in peoples work spaces. Mostly sports teams, schools or states but you'll see other stuff. The military isn't that strict about that kind of thing as long as it's not offensive.
Its because when you are in the Military you are there to serve your country, not an individual. The Military is politically neutral as an organization, and has to stay that way.
 
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Hard to believe they didn't know if they are SEALs. It means they aren't brand new recruits to the navy but are instead seasoned troops who should have a pretty firm grasp of navy regulations. We used to get the Hatch act brief every election season
Strictly speaking, military personnel are not subject to the Hatch Act.
 
Its because when you are in the Military you are there to serve your country, not an individual. The Military is politically neutral as an organization, and has to stay that way.

Key word: an individual. An individual committed a violation. An individual will be punished, along with their supervisor who allowed this to occur. The military is still neutral.
 
Anyone ITT construing this sentence to be "hysterical", "disrespectful", or anything more than an observation needs to get back on their meds...
Anybody typing that sentence in relation to Trump is the one needing meds for delusions and paranoia. Or they need a history lesson. Or both.
 
Strictly speaking, military personnel are not subject to the Hatch Act.

Technically correct but I couldn't remember the directive. The overall goal was to communicate that what they did is restricted and I defaulted to the Hatch Act. The fact is that they are even more restricted.


"The primary guidance concerning political activity for military members is found in DoD Directive 1344.10 [Guidance for Military Personnel]. Per longstanding DoD policy, active duty personnel may not engage in partisan political activities and all military personnel should avoid the inference that their political activities imply or appear to imply DoD sponsorship, approval, or endorsement of a political candidate, campaign, or cause. Members on active duty may not campaign for a partisan candidate, engage in partisan fundraising activities, serve as an officer of a partisan club, or speak before a partisan gathering. Active duty members may, however, express their personal opinions on political candidates and issues, make monetary contributions to a political campaign or organization, and attend political events as a spectator when not in uniform."

4.1.2. A member of the Armed Forces on active duty shall not:

4.1.2.1. Participate in partisan political fundraising activities (except as permitted in subparagraph 4.1.1.7.), rallies, conventions (including making speeches in the course thereof), management of campaigns, or debates, either on one’s own behalf or on that of another, without respect to uniform or inference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement. Participation includes more than mere attendance as a spectator. (See subparagraph 4.1.1.9.)

4.1.2.2. Use official authority or influence to interfere with an election, affect the course or outcome of an election, solicit votes for a particular candidate or issue, or require or solicit political contributions from others.

4.1.2.3. Allow or cause to be published partisan political articles, letters, or endorsements signed or written by the member that solicits votes for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause. This is distinguished from a letter to the editor as permitted under the conditions noted in subparagraph 4.1.1.6.

4.1.2.4. Serve in any official capacity with or be listed as a sponsor of a partisan political club.

4.1.2.5. Speak before a partisan political gathering, including any gathering that promotes a partisan political party, candidate, or cause.

4.1.2.6. Participate in any radio, television, or other program or group discussion as an advocate for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause.

4.1.2.7. Conduct a political opinion survey under the auspices of a partisan political club or group or distribute partisan political literature.

4.1.2.8. Perform clerical or other duties for a partisan political committee or candidate during a campaign, on an election day, or after an election day during the process of closing out a campaign.

4.1.2.9. Solicit or otherwise engage in fundraising activities in Federal offices or facilities, including military reservations, for any political cause or candidate.

4.1.2.10. March or ride in a partisan political parade.

4.1.2.11. Display a large political sign, banner, or poster (as distinguished from a bumper sticker) on a private vehicle.

4.1.2.12. Display a partisan political sign, poster, banner, or similar device visible to the public at one’s residence on a military installation, even if that residence is part of a privatized housing development.

4.1.2.13. Participate in any organized effort to provide voters with transportation to the polls if the effort is organized by or associated with a partisan political party, cause, or candidate.

4.1.2.14. Sell tickets for or otherwise actively promote partisan political dinners and similar fundraising events.

4.1.2.15. Attend partisan political events as an official representative of the Armed Forces, except as a member of a joint Armed Forces color guard at the opening ceremonies of the national conventions of the Republican, Democratic, or other political parties recognized by the Federal Elections Committee or as otherwise authorized by the Secretary concerned.

4.1.2.16. Make a campaign contribution to, or receive or solicit (on one’s own behalf) a campaign contribution from, any other member of the Armed Forces on active duty. Any contributions not prohibited by this subparagraph remain subject to the gift provisions of sections 2635.301-2635.304 of title 5, Code of Federal Regulations (Reference (f)). See subparagraph 4.1.2.1. for general prohibitions on partisan fundraising activity.
 
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So of those 16 regs #'s 11 & 12 seem to be the only possibilities of concern. However, their flag doesn't say Republican, it says Trump as in the name of their Commander in Chief who is not currently running or campaigning for office or is considered a candidate any more. If this was the 1st week of November I could see it as a problem, but now it appears to be some military members supporting their commander in chief.
 
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Maybe you should say something before the mass killing begins.
Ok I promise I will say something when Trump starts making a race where a star on their cloths or starts sending them to work camps. I promise you this. I will be one of the first civilians lined up once I think any government official is willing to start committing mass murder. You guys are joke thinking Trump will commit mass murder. As someone who opposed Obama I never once compared him to Hitler or even thought he would kill a bunch of people. Back off the ledge drama queens.
 
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Have you ever served in the US Military? If you had you would know this is a huge deal.......
have you seen the "14 early signs of Fascism" from the US Holocaust Museum?
10 days in and we can already check off 11 of them

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So of those 16 regs #'s 11 & 12 seem to be the only possibilities of concern. However, their flag doesn't say Republican, it says Trump as in the name of their Commander in Chief who is not currently running or campaigning for office or is considered a candidate any more. If this was the 1st week of November I could see it as a problem, but now it appears to be some military members supporting their commander in chief.

They are not allowed to have it on a private vehicle. You think a military vehicle is ok?
 
I'm saying it is not a political sign as Trump is no longer a candidate but is the CIC.
 
Ok I promise I will say something when Trump starts making a race where a star on their cloths or starts sending them to work camps. I promise you this. I will be one of the first civilians lined up once I think any government official is willing to start committing mass murder. You guys are joke thinking Trump will commit mass murder. As someone who opposed Obama I never once compared him to Hitler or even thought he would kill a bunch of people. Back off the ledge drama queens.
I am not trying to argue with you, but how do you think stuff like that starts?It starts with small things, in the last week, we have had two people we know come back from the UK , one was a US citizen, the other a Resident Alien ( British citizen) just like my wife, both were taken to a side room and made to give their Cell phone access code, and the Immigration officer went through through their phones looking at contacts, links ect........what are you going to say if they start stopping anyone on the streets making you do the same? I posted earlier that sign hanging in the US Holocaust Museum which was the 14 early signs of Fascism, as I said in the first 13 days, 11 of the 14 can be checked off. It is probably a coincidence, but people need to pay attention. President Trump can't even go to the National Prayer breakfast without having give an ego boosting example of how great he is, with that "Prayer for Arnold" .............
 
So of those 16 regs #'s 11 & 12 seem to be the only possibilities of concern. However, their flag doesn't say Republican, it says Trump as in the name of their Commander in Chief who is not currently running or campaigning for office or is considered a candidate any more. If this was the 1st week of November I could see it as a problem, but now it appears to be some military members supporting their commander in chief.
I agree. I don't see it as a problem. Doesn't look like a partisan political flag - it's a flag with the President's name.
 
I am not trying to argue with you, but how do you think stuff like that starts?It starts with small things, in the last week, we have had two people we know come back from the UK , one was a US citizen, the other a Resident Alien ( British citizen) just like my wife, both were taken to a side room and made to give their Cell phone access code, and the Immigration officer went through through their phones looking at contacts, links ect........what are you going to say if they start stopping anyone on the streets making you do the same? I posted earlier that sign hanging in the US Holocaust Museum which was the 14 early signs of Fascism, as I said in the first 13 days, 11 of the 14 can be checked off. It is probably a coincidence, but people need to pay attention. President Trump can't even go to the National Prayer breakfast without having give an ego boosting example of how great he is, with that "Prayer for Arnold" .............
We will have to agree to disagree. In no way shape or form is Trump doing the things Hitler did. I have studied the man very closely and I have to disagree. Also if I thought he was doing the small things I would be the first to stand with you all and stand up to him. I hate the government personally and I think they are way to involved in our daily life. Do I think Trump will round up the muslims and throw them in concentration camp... NO.
 
UK what I really want to know is how many times he referred to himself as I, me or we? If you listened to the audio (I did) or saw the video (I didn't) at least the audio had everyone laughing, it appeared to me to be a light hearted moment and nothing else. Just as a war with China is not going to happen, nor will he order people to be rounded up off the street at random. BTW, I have a very hard time believing your friends were stopped. But no worries, I've been hassled in Spain, Germany, France and the awesome country of Saudi. Didn't whine about it, just carried on. People are know to lie to fit their agenda.

President Trump can't even go to the National Prayer breakfast without having give an ego boosting example of how great he is, with that "Prayer for Arnold" .............
I know it is shocking we have a president who is somewhat of a narcissist...maybe even a giant one. What continually sets him apart from the rest of the mostly previous narcissist, is he is actually delivering on campaign promises though.

Agree with everyone else here that comparing him to Hitler, is just freakin dumb and silly.
 
Cowboyinuk : trump is on his way to being the most evil person of the last one hundred years

Collective conservative circle jerk : that's probably a stretch can we just get him on the list of top 5000 most evil people first?

Davidallen : oh god trump train choo chop bend over here comes trump take it in your butt trump fans !!!
 
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