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The Old Grey Lady: Full Speed Ahead to Rock Bottom

Been the problem with your assumption(s) are that the NYT has not diligently researched (or asked for dirt on) the spouses of prominent democratic/liberal people. Starting with the target rich environment of the Clintons (both).

Wreaks of desperation, but full speed ahead.

That does not contradict my points in any way.
 
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Agreed. If the same standard is applied each and every time such nominations occur. But a press that only digs against one side is a biased pressed that does a disservice to all Americans. So as was posted, the simple question here is did they submit a public records request when Sotomeyer or Kagan were nominated? If not, then yes, they are free, and yes they are biased and their opinion becomes as worthless as the paper its written on.

I don't disagree. But, it is possible that they submitted a request for Sotomeyer/Kagan, and we just don't know about it. It is also possible that they changed their policy 2 weeks ago, and will do it for every spouse of a prospective SCOTUS judge going forward.

Basically, we have 1 data point and are making a lot of conclusions from it. The outrage is no different than what libs are being accused of every other week around here.
 
That does not contradict my points in any way.

I don't disagree. But, it is possible that they submitted a request for Sotomeyer/Kagan, and we just don't know about it. It is also possible that they changed their policy 2 weeks ago, and will do it for every spouse of a prospective SCOTUS judge going forward.

Basically, we have 1 data point and are making a lot of conclusions from it. The outrage is no different than what libs are being accused of every other week around here.

Been there is no way this is SOP when NYT employees are dealing with liberals vs conservatives. Unilateral decision by one person....please! This is a “newspaper” that has Krugman writing for it.

For instance how hard would it have been to find the information that the Kansas City Star found with regards to Claire McCaskills husband;
“Democrat Claire McCaskill is indeed facing a tough re-election, trying for a third term. She’s had a particularly rough week, after the Kansas City Star reported that businesses tied to her husband had been awarded $131 million in federal contracts since she took office in 2007.”

Will the wonderful NYT expand on this story? Highly doubtful! Now swap the names for a conservative republican and her husband and what would their response be? Can guarantee it would be front page story, especially if this person was fighting for re-election in a close race. They have no problems putting their collective lefty thumb on the scales to help the left and try to destroy the right.
 
I don't disagree. But, it is possible that they submitted a request for Sotomeyer/Kagan, and we just don't know about it. It is also possible that they changed their policy 2 weeks ago, and will do it for every spouse of a prospective SCOTUS judge going forward.

Basically, we have 1 data point and are making a lot of conclusions from it. The outrage is no different than what libs are being accused of every other week around here.

Agreed. But the former should be easy to find out. But given the key words used in their request, I suspect its not the case. As for the latter, if they did just change their policy then they are biased until they prove otherwise. Shifting to a more stringent policy only when the party you disagree with is in power is clear demonstration of bias.

BTW, its my opinion that the major media going soft on Obama has been a giant disservice to the US, the Democratic party, and to the media itself. By doing so, they gave up their position of neutrality which allowed 'fake news', extremist, and opinion sites (Vox, Brietbart, etc...) to become accepted news sources which hurts all the US. It failed to provide a restraint to the Democratic party and allowed it to shift well beyond 'the middle' and lose its alignment with the American public, which cost it the last presidential election, and an untold number of Senate, Congressional, and state positions. And the media's own polling puts its approval ratings at half of Trump's dismal ratings.
 
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I'm not saying the NYT does not have a lefty bias. I agree that they do.
Precisely. Who in their right mind does not know the NYT is a leftist organization? As leftists they should be free to dig up dirt in as biased a way as they want. By the same token Sean Hannity can do the same thing. It's not like anyone is being fooled into thinking any of them are objective. They are on one of the teams. We all know that, and it pictures how we feel about their "reporting." No clear thinking person is unaware of what they are doing.
 
Precisely. Who in their right mind does not know the NYT is a leftist organization? As leftists they should be free to dig up dirt in as biased a way as they want. By the same token Sean Hannity can do the same thing. It's not like anyone is being fooled into thinking any of them are objective. They are on one of the teams. We all know that, and it pictures how we feel about their "reporting." No clear thinking person is unaware of what they are doing.

Unfortunately, there are a ton of individuals, who appear to be incapable of "clear thinking", in this country.
 
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Been, you know what is super scary for me at least. I haven't read a newspaper in years. When something crazy is going on I go to the web and try to find as many different opinions as possible and start by trying to match up the amount of times someone say this percentage or that percentage say this or that. If its a subject I hold near and dear to my heart, will try to find a 3 or 4 different authored books to read about the subject.

I got interested in the Yalta Conference once and ended up getting 3 books on the subject...wowza! All three has mostly the same takes but there were also some differences. Went a bit further and looked up the citations for where I found differences and it was fascinating where some of the information came from. Did the same thing with Shelby Foote's 3 book set on the Civil War. Then crossed them with other books I was reading....again some crazy inferences and differences. All that helps get your head around the possibilities though.

I completely agree with you immediately above. Some people are so ensconced in their belief system, they will go down with the ship instead of admitting they were hoodwinked or not entirely informed.
 
I'm not triggered. It's just ludicrous to suggest this is business as usual for anything other than getting at the opposing team. I'm not suggesting that they shouldn't be allowed to do it, Im saying they damn sure wouldn't if it weren't to be carrying water as an oppo research arm of the Democratic Party.
All caps === triggered.

Typical crawdad move though, which deserves an answer - how many FOIA requests from NYT to Obama?

BItter
Agreed. If the same standard is applied each and every time such nominations occur. But a press that only digs against one side is a biased pressed that does a disservice to all Americans. So as was posted, the simple question here is did they submit a public records request when Sotomeyer or Kagan were nominated? If not, then yes, they are free, and yes they are biased and their opinion becomes as worthless as the paper its written on.
You might want to do a bit of research before you make these assertions... It's as if many here have forgotten just how contentious the Obama Administration was with the press.
 
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All caps === triggered.

Typical crawdad move though, which deserves an answer - how many FOIA requests from NYT to Obama?

BItter

You might want to do a bit of research before you make these assertions... It's as if many here have forgotten just how contentious the Obama Administration was with the press.

I do remember some journalists coming up for air long enough to say they were one of the least transparent administrations in memory.
 
Been there is no way this is SOP when NYT employees are dealing with liberals vs conservatives. Unilateral decision by one person....please! This is a “newspaper” that has Krugman writing for it.

For instance how hard would it have been to find the information that the Kansas City Star found with regards to Claire McCaskills husband;
“Democrat Claire McCaskill is indeed facing a tough re-election, trying for a third term. She’s had a particularly rough week, after the Kansas City Star reported that businesses tied to her husband had been awarded $131 million in federal contracts since she took office in 2007.”

Will the wonderful NYT expand on this story? Highly doubtful! Now swap the names for a conservative republican and her husband and what would their response be? Can guarantee it would be front page story, especially if this person was fighting for re-election in a close race. They have no problems putting their collective lefty thumb on the scales to help the left and try to destroy the right.
You do understand that in this case the spouse is a public employee, hence FOIA is relevant right?
 
Was the spouse nominated?

On this site, I frequently see posts about how some guy on the Mueller probe can’t be unbiased because his spouse worked on the Obama campaign, or something along those lines. Pillow talk is often referenced. Let’s not act like this is the first time a spouse has been scrutinized.

Outrage over this NYT request sounds a lot like the topics that liberals get fired up about and then get called “unhinged” or “snowflake” or “pussyhat”.

This is a molehill/mountain thing. Most likely, they will find nothing of interest, and it will be much doo doo about nothing.
 
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On this site, I frequently see posts about how some guy on the Mueller probe can’t be unbiased because his spouse worked on the Obama campaign, or something along those lines. Pillow talk is often referenced. Let’s not act like this is the first time a spouse has been scrutinized.

Outrage over this NYT request sounds a lot like the topics that liberals get fired up about and then get called “unhinged” or “snowflake” or “pussyhat”.

This is a molehill/mountain thing. Most likely, they will find nothing of interest, and it will be much doo doo about nothing.
Regarding the Mueller comparison, that's apples and radial tires.

I'm not sure why you think there's "outrage." There isn't any that I've seen. Poking fun at what appears to be some desperate digging by a NY Times reporter isn't outrage. Nobody is saying people will die, that our democracy is under attack, or that people will lose their rights. That's outrage.

You've already acknowledged the left bias of the NY Times. That's what people were commenting on. There's someone still trying to convince us that the request wasn't something born out of that bias as if it doesn't exist.
 
On this site, I frequently see posts about how some guy on the Mueller probe can’t be unbiased because his spouse worked on the Obama campaign, or something along those lines. Pillow talk is often referenced. Let’s not act like this is the first time a spouse has been scrutinized.

Outrage over this NYT request sounds a lot like the topics that liberals get fired up about and then get called “unhinged” or “snowflake” or “pussyhat”.

This is a molehill/mountain thing. Most likely, they will find nothing of interest, and it will be much doo doo about nothing.
Did anyone seek a FOIA request for dirt on Mueller's wife?

I don't recall whether his wife worked on the Obama campaign or not. The last time Obama had a campaign running was 2012 and Mueller wasn't appointed as special counsel yet.

Apples and unicorns.

I brought up the fact that Comey's wife and daughters were all in on Hildebitch which could have had an effect on his slipshod investigation and subsequent exoneration. I also brought up pillow talk but that was between Strzok and bow-wow Page.
 
I brought up the fact that Comey's wife and daughters were all in on Hildebitch which could have had an effect on his slipshod investigation and subsequent exoneration. I also brought up pillow talk but that was between Strzok and bow-wow Page.

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I'm going to play devil's advocate here a bit.

First off, this very well might be business as usual. In theory, they won't find anything of interest, and nothing will come of their inquiry. If so, none of us might have known the inquiry occurred, except that some Trump supporter found out about it and went public with it.

Second, it is entirely possible that this is not business as usual, and wasn't an overarching m.o. sent down from the highest levels of the NYT. It could be just one Trump hater (NYT employee) who was in position to make the request and did it unilaterally.

With social media being what it is today, and the country being as divided as it is today, it is hard to know how outside the norm this is, or whether or not this was done due to corporate mandate or the work of one or two individuals.
You sure seem to sprinkle the benefit of the doubt only on one side.
 
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Did anyone seek a FOIA request for dirt on Mueller's wife?
This where the dumb assery gets exposed.... Ann Mueller is a special needs teacher at a private school. Her emails are not subject to a FOIA request. If they were, I am quite certain some news outlet would have requested them. Please though continue with your unicorn fantasy theories...
 
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This where the dumb assery gets exposed.... Ann Mueller is a special needs teacher at a private school. Her emails are not subject to a FOIA request. If they were, I am quite certain some news outlet would have requested them. Please though continue with your unicorn fantasy theories...
Derp
 
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