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The Nation on Indepenent Intelligence Report: DNC System wasn't Hacked; Information was Leaked

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https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/

  • There was no hack of the Democratic National Committee’s system on July 5 last year—not by the Russians, not by anyone else. Hard science now demonstrates it was a leak—a download executed locally with a memory key or a similarly portable data-storage device. In short, it was an inside job by someone with access to the DNC’s system. This casts serious doubt on the initial “hack,” as alleged, that led to the very consequential publication of a large store of documents on WikiLeaks last summer.
  • Forensic investigations of documents made public two weeks prior to the July 5 leak by the person or entity known as Guccifer 2.0 show that they were fraudulent: Before Guccifer posted them they were adulterated by cutting and pasting them into a blank template that had Russian as its default language. Guccifer took responsibility on June 15 for an intrusion the DNC reported on June 14 and professed to be a WikiLeaks source—claims essential to the official narrative implicating Russia in what was soon cast as an extensive hacking operation. To put the point simply, forensic science now devastates this narrative.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-08-10/why-some-u-s-ex-spies-don-t-buy-the-russia-story
 
https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/

  • There was no hack of the Democratic National Committee’s system on July 5 last year—not by the Russians, not by anyone else. Hard science now demonstrates it was a leak—a download executed locally with a memory key or a similarly portable data-storage device. In short, it was an inside job by someone with access to the DNC’s system. This casts serious doubt on the initial “hack,” as alleged, that led to the very consequential publication of a large store of documents on WikiLeaks last summer.
  • Forensic investigations of documents made public two weeks prior to the July 5 leak by the person or entity known as Guccifer 2.0 show that they were fraudulent: Before Guccifer posted them they were adulterated by cutting and pasting them into a blank template that had Russian as its default language. Guccifer took responsibility on June 15 for an intrusion the DNC reported on June 14 and professed to be a WikiLeaks source—claims essential to the official narrative implicating Russia in what was soon cast as an extensive hacking operation. To put the point simply, forensic science now devastates this narrative.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-08-10/why-some-u-s-ex-spies-don-t-buy-the-russia-story

Nothing to see here. Doesn't fit the narrative.
 
My concern now (okay has been for awhile) is that the Russian deal was always a ruse to find something/anything that could discredit Trump and his circle (of which sometimes he needs no help). Obviously if people broke the law they should go to jail, but wowza! Look at hard evidence from some of the malfeasance practiced by the Clintons (their circle) and the ex-rodent in chief (and his circles). Think any fair individual would see that the brush they are using now was meant to paint a house, while the brush before was to touch up a gnats balls.
 
So your saying Flynn is aiding and abetting the ingoing sexual abuse of children? Lock his ass up.
Or maybe that's his trump card (no pun) in the Mueller investigation. I would think there are many inside the intelligence community who have knowledge of many crimes which haven't been passed on for prosecution.
 
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if you keep it on topic

david allen gets to comment on inside leaks which chips at the basis of this russia thing

which in the end will prove to be nothing more than a partisan effort to destabilize the republic and invalidate the democratic process

it works like this

in 90 jimmy davis cries like a baby in
the polisci class about how much dough keating raised to beat him in the lt gov race because money wins elections

in 92 walters pleads guilty to grabbing illicit coin in his gov race and macy let's him off with an attaboy hand slap

what really happens when walters took illegal dough is invalidated the democratic process

but macy didn't see it like that
he just saw a little extra cake in the kitty
 
Or maybe that's his trump card (no pun) in the Mueller investigation. I would think there are many inside the intelligence community who have knowledge of many crimes which haven't been passed on for prosecution.
Frank likes it that Flynn is withholding the names of pedophiles for political advantage. Really Frankie?
 
Frank likes it that Flynn is withholding the names of pedophiles for political advantage. Really Frankie?

I did not take it that way, playing the same whore game all those in Washington do, they save the dirt to take you down when they need to corrupt your azz and make you do something you do not want to do.
 
I did not take it that way, playing the same whore game all those in Washington do, they save the dirt to take you down when they need to corrupt your azz and make you do something you do not want to do.
OKState advocates playing the "whore game" at the expense of children ITT or am I misreading?
 
Frank likes it that Flynn is withholding the names of pedophiles for political advantage. Really Frankie?
Frank likes it that Flynn is withholding the names of pedophiles for political advantage. Really Frankie?
If I am the Frankie to which you refer then know I have posted nothing about anyone withholding names and have offered no opinion regarding such.
 
OKState advocates playing the "whore game" at the expense of children ITT or am I misreading?

Boy, you sure like to put words in people mouths and make them look like evil people while elevating yourself. Hey jack*ss, nowhere in that post did I come close to saying what you said. So yes, you are an illiterate and can not read. ALL the Dems and Reps play this game in Washington (and certainly does not make it right), if you have followed me on this board the last 8 months you would know my feelings on this subject and that I would LOVE to see ALL of Washington cleaned up. I am for equal jail time across both aisles, far more than you IMO.

You are real POS to attack me on this board and hide behind children doing it. Screw you man, you play the politics card over children and play identify politics on me?

Seriously, FO.
 
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17 Intellegence Agencies can't be wrong. It was a hack job.

On a side note why do we have 17 separate intelligence agences?

So they can have counter intelligence on each other and make sure no one knows the truth, makes it harder to stop the leaks they want out as well.
 
Boy, you sure like to put words in people mouths and make them look like evil people while elevating yourself. Hey jack*ss, nowhere in that post did I come close to saying what you said. So yes, you are an illiterate and can not read. ALL the Dems and Reps play this game in Washington (and certainly does not make it right), if you have followed me on this board the last 8 months you would know my feelings on this subject and that I would LOVE to see ALL of Washington cleaned up. I am for equal jail time across both aisles, far more than you IMO.

You are real POS to attack me on this board and hide behind children doing it. Screw you man, you play the politics card over children and play identify politics on me?

Seriously, FO.
So your all for locking up Flynn if he is withholding info on pedophiles? Good!
 
So your all for locking up Flynn if he is withholding info on pedophiles? Good!

@davidallen that does not cut it. You owe imprimis and myself a big apology. Anyone with half a brain could read his post and understand he was explaining how politics were played in Washington, not suggesting he was supporting someone who protected pedophiles. It is silly to think someone would actually have to explain that. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and tried to explain it, and holy cow you double downed on stupidity and hate responding to my post. I was shocked, I actually thought you were smarter than that, and was not so full of hate towards people for whatever reason.

So, it is hugely insulting David, that you choose to think the absolute worst about 2 posters on this board, that somehow we would defend people that protect pedophiles? To do that, you have to think the absolute worst about me as an individual, literally that both of us are absolutely morally corrupt.

So, you accuse us and put words in our mouths claiming somehow we would protect pedophiles for political purposes. Oh, then there it is, your post assuming the worst of both us is doing the same thing you accuse us of. You hide behind kids that have been abused to score political points on this board? But you do not even realize this because you cannot wait to post and score political point s and obviously must not have any respect for me as an individual.

You are spreading some serious hate here. How? Will let me tell you something brother, some things you should not be so insensitive and hateful to attack people on.

My father lived thru his dad dying young at a young age and having to raise a family at a young age, a great depression, and some of the worst fighting in WW2 in the Philippines. Unfortunately it turned him in to an alcoholic, it was really bad. He was a mean old drunk, I was physically abused as a young child and took *zz whippings for stuff I did not deserve that was unreal. My older sister ran away in the 8th grade and we did hear from her for 5 years. I could go on and on........

My dad in a drunk stupor one night drives over my mom and kills her in the driveway, I then take care of my father as he gets ill with cancer and alzheimer's. 2 years in to my marriage my wife comes down with MS. I was adopted, my father was a great man (raised 2 families) and unfortunately his life sucked so bad early in his life he turned to alcohol, they had no counselors for our WW2 vets and living thru the great depression, it was suck it up soldier and go live. I walked away from a 6 figure job with a huge bonus to help stop corruption in a Fortune 500 Company all the while facing an uncertain future with a sick wife. I have 2 wonderful daughters, my youngest has hit a rough patch and her and her 2 kids are living with my wife and I currently.

I am not complaining about my life at all and actually my life experiences have made me a far better person IMO than it would be if life was easy, I would change nothing. My point is this David. Anyone questioning me when it comes to the *hit and the path you are going down is some serious hateful stuff, and I can tell you it is hateful David, a part of me wants to tell you were we can meet in Edmond and I will find out if this 56 year old body of mine still has a good *ss kicking left in it to dish out. Instead I am going to go mow my lawn and work up a big sweat and then swim in the pool with the grand kids and start up the grill.

I am not perfect, and I am not getting religious here either because religion has nothing to do with who you are IMO, but what I do know, I feel like when the big chips have been down I followed the example of the adults that were around me as a young child and I did what was right and I did them because I wanted to and I understood love of family and self, and some things not being for sale.

So, excuse me if I find how inappropriate both of your flippant responses are, all I know if I felt like this board was full of pedophile protectors I would be long gone and that is what made your posts so poor in taste because I do believe that is true for everyone on this board but yet you go there. I was so glad to learn today that is how I was identified and someone cornering me in to, either explain myself to you or accept being labeled by you. Screw that. That it could be done so easily and flippantly to try to create some political narrative that you seem to think is more important than the reputation of the person behind the key board who does not find any humor what so ever in whatever game you are playing I find very cruel, insensitive, and hateful. Especially when any type of abuse on young child raises my hair, been there and done that.

Well, politics impacts real lives and real people, sometimes words matter.
 
@davidallen that does not cut it. You owe imprimis and myself a big apology. Anyone with half a brain could read his post and understand he was explaining how politics were played in Washington, not suggesting he was supporting someone who protected pedophiles. It is silly to think someone would actually have to explain that. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and tried to explain it, and holy cow you double downed on stupidity and hate responding to my post. I was shocked, I actually thought you were smarter than that, and was not so full of hate towards people for whatever reason.

So, it is hugely insulting David, that you choose to think the absolute worst about 2 posters on this board, that somehow we would defend people that protect pedophiles? To do that, you have to think the absolute worst about me as an individual, literally that both of us are absolutely morally corrupt.

So, you accuse us and put words in our mouths claiming somehow we would protect pedophiles for political purposes. Oh, then there it is, your post assuming the worst of both us is doing the same thing you accuse us of. You hide behind kids that have been abused to score political points on this board? But you do not even realize this because you cannot wait to post and score political point s and obviously must not have any respect for me as an individual.

You are spreading some serious hate here. How? Will let me tell you something brother, some things you should not be so insensitive and hateful to attack people on.

My father lived thru his dad dying young at a young age and having to raise a family at a young age, a great depression, and some of the worst fighting in WW2 in the Philippines. Unfortunately it turned him in to an alcoholic, it was really bad. He was a mean old drunk, I was physically abused as a young child and took *zz whippings for stuff I did not deserve that was unreal. My older sister ran away in the 8th grade and we did hear from her for 5 years. I could go on and on........

My dad in a drunk stupor one night drives over my mom and kills her in the driveway, I then take care of my father as he gets ill with cancer and alzheimer's. 2 years in to my marriage my wife comes down with MS. I was adopted, my father was a great man (raised 2 families) and unfortunately his life sucked so bad early in his life he turned to alcohol, they had no counselors for our WW2 vets and living thru the great depression, it was suck it up soldier and go live. I walked away from a 6 figure job with a huge bonus to help stop corruption in a Fortune 500 Company all the while facing an uncertain future with a sick wife. I have 2 wonderful daughters, my youngest has hit a rough patch and her and her 2 kids are living with my wife and I currently.

I am not complaining about my life at all and actually my life experiences have made me a far better person IMO than it would be if life was easy, I would change nothing. My point is this David. Anyone questioning me when it comes to the *hit and the path you are going down is some serious hateful stuff, and I can tell you it is hateful David, a part of me wants to tell you were we can meet in Edmond and I will find out if this 56 year old body of mine still has a good *ss kicking left in it to dish out. Instead I am going to go mow my lawn and work up a big sweat and then swim in the pool with the grand kids and start up the grill.

I am not perfect, and I am not getting religious here either because religion has nothing to do with who you are IMO, but what I do know, I feel like when the big chips have been down I followed the example of the adults that were around me as a young child and I did what was right and I did them because I wanted to and I understood love of family and self, and some things not being for sale.

So, excuse me if I find how inappropriate both of your flippant responses are, all I know if I felt like this board was full of pedophile protectors I would be long gone and that is what made your posts so poor in taste because I do believe that is true for everyone on this board but yet you go there. I was so glad to learn today that is how I was identified and someone cornering me in to, either explain myself to you or accept being labeled by you. Screw that. That it could be done so easily and flippantly to try to create some political narrative that you seem to think is more important than the reputation of the person behind the key board who does not find any humor what so ever in whatever game you are playing I find very cruel, insensitive, and hateful. Especially when any type of abuse on young child raises my hair, been there and done that.

Well, politics impacts real lives and real people, sometimes words matter.
Two things ( in back of a car so forgive typos):

1. Mea Culpa for dredging up painful memories. What was intended as a sarcastic jab connected in ways never intended. Sincere regrets, and apologize.
2. If Flynn is sitting on names of pedos for political gain it is an outrage. That was the intention of the posts.
 
@davidallen that does not cut it. You owe imprimis and myself a big apology. Anyone with half a brain could read his post and understand he was explaining how politics were played in Washington, not suggesting he was supporting someone who protected pedophiles. It is silly to think someone would actually have to explain that. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and tried to explain it, and holy cow you double downed on stupidity and hate responding to my post. I was shocked, I actually thought you were smarter than that, and was not so full of hate towards people for whatever reason.

So, it is hugely insulting David, that you choose to think the absolute worst about 2 posters on this board, that somehow we would defend people that protect pedophiles? To do that, you have to think the absolute worst about me as an individual, literally that both of us are absolutely morally corrupt.

So, you accuse us and put words in our mouths claiming somehow we would protect pedophiles for political purposes. Oh, then there it is, your post assuming the worst of both us is doing the same thing you accuse us of. You hide behind kids that have been abused to score political points on this board? But you do not even realize this because you cannot wait to post and score political point s and obviously must not have any respect for me as an individual.

You are spreading some serious hate here. How? Will let me tell you something brother, some things you should not be so insensitive and hateful to attack people on.

My father lived thru his dad dying young at a young age and having to raise a family at a young age, a great depression, and some of the worst fighting in WW2 in the Philippines. Unfortunately it turned him in to an alcoholic, it was really bad. He was a mean old drunk, I was physically abused as a young child and took *zz whippings for stuff I did not deserve that was unreal. My older sister ran away in the 8th grade and we did hear from her for 5 years. I could go on and on........

My dad in a drunk stupor one night drives over my mom and kills her in the driveway, I then take care of my father as he gets ill with cancer and alzheimer's. 2 years in to my marriage my wife comes down with MS. I was adopted, my father was a great man (raised 2 families) and unfortunately his life sucked so bad early in his life he turned to alcohol, they had no counselors for our WW2 vets and living thru the great depression, it was suck it up soldier and go live. I walked away from a 6 figure job with a huge bonus to help stop corruption in a Fortune 500 Company all the while facing an uncertain future with a sick wife. I have 2 wonderful daughters, my youngest has hit a rough patch and her and her 2 kids are living with my wife and I currently.

I am not complaining about my life at all and actually my life experiences have made me a far better person IMO than it would be if life was easy, I would change nothing. My point is this David. Anyone questioning me when it comes to the *hit and the path you are going down is some serious hateful stuff, and I can tell you it is hateful David, a part of me wants to tell you were we can meet in Edmond and I will find out if this 56 year old body of mine still has a good *ss kicking left in it to dish out. Instead I am going to go mow my lawn and work up a big sweat and then swim in the pool with the grand kids and start up the grill.

I am not perfect, and I am not getting religious here either because religion has nothing to do with who you are IMO, but what I do know, I feel like when the big chips have been down I followed the example of the adults that were around me as a young child and I did what was right and I did them because I wanted to and I understood love of family and self, and some things not being for sale.

So, excuse me if I find how inappropriate both of your flippant responses are, all I know if I felt like this board was full of pedophile protectors I would be long gone and that is what made your posts so poor in taste because I do believe that is true for everyone on this board but yet you go there. I was so glad to learn today that is how I was identified and someone cornering me in to, either explain myself to you or accept being labeled by you. Screw that. That it could be done so easily and flippantly to try to create some political narrative that you seem to think is more important than the reputation of the person behind the key board who does not find any humor what so ever in whatever game you are playing I find very cruel, insensitive, and hateful. Especially when any type of abuse on young child raises my hair, been there and done that.

Well, politics impacts real lives and real people, sometimes words matter.
If I can be a voice a reason...

davidallen and I trade barbs on here all the time, but they are never meant or taken personally. We've messaged offline more than once and he's a great guy. A very generous and humble spirited man. I can assure you that he meant nothing personal in his posts and as reflected in his post above, he would not intentionally do something or say something harmful even on this anonymous message board. He's offered his public profile to this board, he's not anonymous by his own doing, and I'm certain of what I just said about him because of that fact and my own interactions with him.

I hope you can see that he meant nothing personal and that you take his words at face value. There's zero doubt in my mind that he meant what he said.
 
If I can be a voice a reason...

davidallen and I trade barbs on here all the time, but they are never meant or taken personally. We've messaged offline more than once and he's a great guy. A very generous and humble spirited man. I can assure you that he meant nothing personal in his posts and as reflected in his post above, he would not intentionally do something or say something harmful even on this anonymous message board. He's offered his public profile to this board, he's not anonymous by his own doing, and I'm certain of what I just said about him because of that fact and my own interactions with him.

I hope you can see that he meant nothing personal and that you take his words at face value. There's zero doubt in my mind that he meant what he said.

That is my experience with him as well.
 
If I can be a voice a reason...

davidallen and I trade barbs on here all the time, but they are never meant or taken personally. We've messaged offline more than once and he's a great guy. A very generous and humble spirited man. I can assure you that he meant nothing personal in his posts and as reflected in his post above, he would not intentionally do something or say something harmful even on this anonymous message board. He's offered his public profile to this board, he's not anonymous by his own doing, and I'm certain of what I just said about him because of that fact and my own interactions with him.

I hope you can see that he meant nothing personal and that you take his words at face value. There's zero doubt in my mind that he meant what he said.
I have had no personal/private interaction with the man, but it was obvious to me he meant no harm. David is a typical leftist liberal who confuses being clever and witty with being profound. You can almost see the satisfaction in his face when he thinks he has refuted an argument with a clever barb.
 
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I've been trying to figure out the purpose of quoting my post or his response. The only thing somewhat plausible is he has a hard-on against @GunsOfFrankEaton who liked my post. My name is neither Frank or Frankie nor have he and I ever met or conversed except on this forum.
 
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I've been trying to figure out the purpose of quoting my post or his response. The only thing somewhat plausible is he has a hard-on against @GunsOfFrankEaton who liked my post. My name is neither Frank or Frankie nor have he and I ever met or conversed except on this forum.
My response to Guns was based on the like. I have not been snarky with you after an exchange a years ago or so - don't recall the details but I try not to trade barbs with folks who don't appreciate a good roll in the mud, for whatever reason I have tried not to do that with you.
 
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Appreciate the kind words. My intent here is to have a little fun, challenge/provoke the right lean on this board, blow off some steam, and on occasion rethink a position I hold by interacting with a decidedly different group than I see at home, at the coffee shop and in my professional life.

If I cross the line with you individually or in general, call me out.

As to this thread, apologies again to @OKSTATE1 - we have sparred on topics of religion but I clearly went too far on this one.
 
Appreciate the kind words. My intent here is to have a little fun, challenge/provoke the right lean on this board, blow off some steam, and on occasion rethink a position I hold by interacting with a decidedly different group than I see at home, at the coffee shop and in my professional life.

If I cross the line with you individually or in general, call me out.

As to this thread, apologies again to @OKSTATE1 - we have sparred on topics of religion but I clearly went too far on this one.

Thanks
 
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