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The most dangerous woman in America

NZ Poke

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She's making fun of liberals. No selective outrage to read into it and no solutions required.

I’m not impressed by idiots who bitch and moan and don’t offer or dialogue for solutions lol...maybe you are.

Pathetic if so, but you do you
 
Let me see if I understand her point.

1). Liberals would raise hell if 71 illegal immigrants were shot trying to enter the country.

2). Since it was just black gang members in the inner city, liberals don't care.

3). Conservatives wouldn't give a shit about 71 illegal immigrants being shot, because they are not liberals.

4). Conservatives must not care about the Chicago shootings either since they are not doing anything about it, all they are doing is pointing out that liberals don't care.

Did I get that right?
 
Let me see if I understand her point.

1). Liberals would raise hell if 71 illegal immigrants were shot trying to enter the country.

2). Since it was just black gang members in the inner city, liberals don't care.

3). Conservatives wouldn't give a shit about 71 illegal immigrants being shot, because they are not liberals.

4). Conservatives must not care about the Chicago shootings either since they are not doing anything about it, all they are doing is pointing out that liberals don't care.

Did I get that right?

No, it's pretty f'n obvious she's talking about the hypocrisy.

No twisting of logic necessary.
 
1). Liberals would raise hell if 71 illegal immigrants were shot trying to enter the country.
Yes, they certainly would.
2). Since it was just black gang members in the inner city, liberals don't care.
You don't here much about it from the left, at least nothing at the level of angst they display regarding illegal immigrants. In fact, we get labeled as race baiters by some on here for bringing up the subject. That's likely not an isolated phenomenon.

3). Conservatives wouldn't give a shit about 71 illegal immigrants being shot, because they are not liberals.
That's probably false. I think conservatives would be equally appalled. Part of the reason conservatives oppose things that make illegal immigration more attractive is the human cost of illegal immigration.

4). Conservatives must not care about the Chicago shootings either since they are not doing anything about it, all they are doing is pointing out that liberals don't care.
Conservatives aren't in political control of Chicago to do much about it.
 
Conservatives aren't in political control of Chicago to do much about it.

Is it your contention that the liberal politicians, in Chicago, don't care and are not trying? Do you think the situation would be any better if conservatives were in political control of the city?

Did you know that...

In Chicago, 318 people have been killed this year. That is 110 fewer than 2017
 
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Is it your contention that the liberal politicians, in Chicago, don't care and are not trying? Do you think the situation would be any better if conservatives were in political control of the city?

Did you know that...

In Chicago, 318 people have been killed this year. That is 110 fewer than 2017

Is that total for all of 2017 or at this point in time for last year?
 
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Is it your contention that the liberal politicians, in Chicago, don't care and are not trying? Do you think the situation would be any better if conservatives were in political control of the city?

Did you know that...

In Chicago, 318 people have been killed this year. That is 110 fewer than 2017
No, I'm not contending that they don't care and aren't trying. They've actually implemented some recent stuff to increase their ability to police proactively.

I don't know what results conservatives would have since they haven't been in political power in Chicago for almost 100 years. I do know that the majority of cities in the top 25 of murder rates have Democrats in control.

I do contend that leftist politics resulted in increased the shootings because of increased hostility toward officers and politics that affected the ability and desire of officers to police proactively.
 
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Is it your contention that the liberal politicians, in Chicago, don't care and are not trying? Do you think the situation would be any better if conservatives were in political control of the city?

Did you know that...

In Chicago, 318 people have been killed this year. That is 110 fewer than 2017
Chicago has actually had 355 homicides so far this year.

If August numbers end up as forecast, there will have been 395 homicides YTD at the end of August, which would be a reduction of 84 homicides from end of August 2017 YTD. Good improvement but still a ways to go to get to pre 2016 levels.

https://heyjackass.com/2018-homicide-trend/
 
Let's all be grateful that Harry has done his part. All the other races have to do is ask. He will fix it.
 
I don't know what results conservatives would have since they haven't been in political power in Chicago for almost 100 years. I do know that the majority of cities in the top 25 of murder rates have Democrats in control.


Isn't that line of thinking a bit unfair? The majority of Republicans reside in rural/suburban parts of the country. The majority of Democrats reside in urban parts of the country. Therefore, the big cities are more likely to have Democrat voters and Democrat Mayors/representatives.

It sounds like one of NZ's propaganda talking points.
I do contend that leftist politics resulted in increased the shootings because of increased hostility toward officers and politics that affected the ability and desire of officers to police proactively.

I think this is a bit off target also. There may be some truth to it, but the problems that L.E. currently have goes a lot further than the Democratic party and the BLM movement. Neither the Dems or BLM are responsible for cops shooting unarmed individuals or shooting people in the back or killing innocent children. Cops have a tough job, but many of them have made significant mistakes. Camera phones, body cameras, surveillance cameras and social media has shined a spotlight on those mistakes. There are a lot more factors than just Democratic talking points that have allowed the situation to get to where it currently is.
 
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Let me see if I understand her point.

1). Liberals would raise hell if 71 illegal immigrants were shot trying to enter the country.

2). Since it was just black gang members in the inner city, liberals don't care.

3). Conservatives wouldn't give a shit about 71 illegal immigrants being shot, because they are not liberals.

4). Conservatives must not care about the Chicago shootings either since they are not doing anything about it, all they are doing is pointing out that liberals don't care.

Did I get that right?

First two, yes. The rest is you reading into it for some reason.

Pretty simple - she’s talking about selective outrage for things that are politically advantageous and ignoring things that aren’t.

You could make a similar point about GOPe being hypocrites re: illegals because cheap labor though.

But, she’s not GOPe.
 
First two, yes. The rest is you reading into it for some reason.

Reading into it (and adding to it) because it is a bullshit point. It is selectively choosing data to make a political statement.

Everything ITT is partisan BS. (including my posts and her Tweet).
 
Reading into it (and adding to it) because it is a bullshit point. It is selectively choosing data to make a political statement.

Everything ITT is partisan BS. (including my posts and her Tweet).

No. she makes an objectively accurate observation that you need to “add to” in order to justify your objection to it, because it probably makes you uncomfortable to address her specific point.
 
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No. she makes an objectively accurate observation that you need to “add to” in order to justify your objection to it, because it probably makes you uncomfortable to address her specific point.

I'm not uncomfortable at all. I see her proposed point. To say that it is objectively accurate is complete BS also.

Until 71 illegal immigrants are killed trying to cross the border, there is no way to know if it is accurate or not. It is conjecture at best. Additionally, you would have to quantify who is included in the definition of "liberal" and how each one of them reacts to both issues to determine whether her imaginary scenario is consistent with reality.

Maybe you are confused as to the definition of "objectively accurate".
 
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13000ish people are murdered every year in the US. I mainly get upset about the ones the state murders or the justice the state doesn't serve.
 
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I'm not uncomfortable at all. I see her proposed point. To say that it is objectively accurate is complete BS also.

Until 71 illegal immigrants are killed trying to cross the border, there is no way to know if it is accurate or not. It is conjecture at best. Additionally, you would have to quantify who is included in the definition of "liberal" and how each one of them reacts to both issues to determine whether her imaginary scenario is consistent with reality.

Maybe you are confused as to the definition of "objectively accurate".

I’m not confused Been. #walkaway
 
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So no hypothetical content in that tweet?

Of course not. Separating families was the biggest crisis of our time. Just imagine if they got shot instead. There is an existing body of outrage from which we can easily extrapolate.

Conversely, the Chicago portion of her statement is plainly not theoretical and plainly, there is no outrage from anyone about it - particularly the left, whom she referenced.
 
I’m not confused Been. #walkaway

You are.

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  1. not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased:an objective opinion.
accurate
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  1. free from error or defect; consistent with a standard, rule, or model; precise; exact.
 
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