The Mooch Turns On The Donald

[Ponca Dan]

Interesting. I’m sure the most passionate of Trump supporters will belittle the man as a traitor. He was far from Trump’s inner circle but no one defended him more.

The interesting - and most significant - thing he says in the article is that Trump is so narcissistic, that he doesn’t see people as people but rather as objects in his line of vision. I think that describes Trump perfectly.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/anthony-scaramucci-interview-trump

 

[Syskatine]

Of course he did. As predictable as the sunrise.

Was driving home this week at night and heard the opening on CNN and the lead-in was what impact the looming recession had on Trump. Not whether we were going into a recession, but what impact it has on Trump. Of COURSE he's a narcissist -- the media accommodates his narcissism at every turn.

 

[22LR]

Mooch looks and acts like the slick car salesman who runs out and stands in front of your car at Lynn Hickey Dodge.

 

[Headhunter]

Of course he did. As predictable as the sunrise.

Was driving home this week at night and heard the opening on CNN and the lead-in was what impact the looming recession had on Trump. Not whether we were going into a recession, but what impact it has on Trump. Of COURSE he's a narcissist -- the media accommodates his narcissism at every turn.

CNN is more obsessed with Trump than Trump is obsessed with Trump. Which means they are really, really obsessed with Trump.

The entire left is ate up with DTS.

 

[Ponca Dan]

CNN is more obsessed with Trump than Trump is obsessed with Trump. Which means they are really, really obsessed with Trump.

The entire left is ate up with DTS.

Indeed it is. I was struck by the Mooch’s claim that the general public does not have Trump Derangement Syndrome, but rather Trump Fatigue Syndrome. He may be on to something. The public may be tiring of the daily spectacle. For awhile it was fun watching Trump poke his enemies in the eye, but enough already! This imbecilic juvenile behavior has gone past its sell-by date. It’s time for some adult behavior. It is very concerning. His bizarre behavior may push the public into voting for a whacko like Elizabeth Warren.

 

[22LR]

Indeed it is. I was struck by the Mooch’s claim that the general public does not have Trump Derangement Syndrome, but rather Trump Fatigue Syndrome. He may be on to something. The public may be tiring of the daily spectacle. For awhile it was fun watching Trump poke his enemies in the eye, but enough already! This imbecilic juvenile behavior has gone past its sell-by date. It’s time for some adult behavior. It is very concerning. His bizarre behavior may push the public into voting for a whacko like Elizabeth Warren.

You should start hanging around working people.

 

[Ponca Dan]

You should start hanging around working people.

Ironic you would say that since I am a working person in construction. I not only hang around them I am one of them!

 

[22LR]

Ironic you would say that since I am a working person in construction. I not only hang around them I am one of them!

Sorry. My mistake. Your take on things is nothing like what I encounter with the hundreds of manufacturing workers I talk with. Most people love what Trump is doing and are not getting tired of a man who defends them in every way.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Sorry. My mistake. Your take on things is nothing like what I encounter with the hundreds of manufacturing workers I talk with. Most people love what Trump is doing and are not getting tired of a man who defends them in every way.

I’m not saying the Mooch is right. But I do find it interesting and in the realm of possibility. The working people I am around pay almost no attention to politics. I doubt many of them could tell me who the Vice President is. The thing is our separate experiences, yours and mine, are anecdotal. I live in Oklahoma, I assume you do, too. Our opinions and the opinions of those immediately around us are somewhat immaterial. It’s the opinions of voters in the “swing states” that will get our next president. The Mooch may be in a better position to know what they think than either one of us.

I will say that I personally have listened to about as much bs from Donald Trump as I can tolerate. But that’s purely anecdotal!

 

[OKSTATE1]

Well Mooch was fired quickly partly because he treated his staff like shit and they consider it the reign of terror. He might be easier to believe if he was not a short time fired ex-staffer who no one on the staff liked. That reeks of I know more and better than the Prez and my underlings are privileged to work for me. Trump has fired plenty of people, none of them has been as outlandish as this guy. Looks and sounds like political payback, I mean Mooch might Fredo!!!

 

[22LR]

Our opinions and the opinions of those immediately around us are somewhat immaterial. It’s the opinions of voters in the “swing states” that will get our next president.

Except for one important thing. The people I work with include a large number of naturalized citizen Hispanics, Asians and north Africans. They love Trump. And I must assume they have like-minded expats and relatives in swing states.

 

[imprimis]

As The Mooch Turns isn't anything blockbuster. I've seen links about Mooch turning on Trump for several days without it being splashed over the news continually. MSM reaction = Meh.

 

[Headhunter]

Ponca I believe that there is a significant number of people that voted for Hillary or are in the small number of conservative never Trumpers who never liked Trump and are even more weary of him now.

However his core base is rock solid. Look at his popularity among Republican voters. The middle will move up and down based on the news of the day.

I personally don't see a winning message on the Democratic side. When this thing gets narrowed down to one candidate they are either going to have to do a 180 on everything they are promoting now or go all in on their radical ideas. Either way that will turn off independents. Especially in swing states in fly over country.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Except for one important thing. The people I work with include a large number of naturalized citizen Hispanics, Asians and north Africans. They love Trump. And I must assume they have like-minded expats and relatives in swing states.

Let me ask you a question. I mean this sincerely, I'm not trying to provoke an argument. First let me set up the question.

I have never thought DJT is particularly intelligent, but I have always thought he is world class when it comes to deviousness and manipulation. Without exception he has managed to convince his faithful that anyone who abruptly leaves his team does so because they have serious character flaws. It is always - and I mean always - the other guy's errors, never Trump's, at least that's what he has convinced his faithful. (As an aside, does it bother you that Trump has such poor vetting that he keeps hiring these incompetent boobs?) Think back on it: Tillerson was too stupid to handle the job, never mind he had risen the ranks of one of the most competitive corporations in the world. Tillerson called Trump a "f'ing moron," or so the rumor went, so he had to go, and his character had to be destroyed on the way out. Omorosa was sent packing because she was a clinging bitch that hungered for fame and got it by being close to the president. Mattis and McMaster left as soon as they could get out. Then there are Manafort and Cohen, two real sleazeballs who tried to turn evidence against him, and walked themselves into prison sentences. (There's no disputing those two are giant sleazes, but do you wonder why Trump ever associated with them in the first place? Do you not think it is possible that DJT is probably just a complicit as those two in shady business dealings, that it is most likely he is just as sleazy as them? Perhaps he used them to give himself "plausible deniability" if the shit ever hit the fan?) And now we have Mooch, who has been one of his most faithful supporters in spite of his quick dismissal from the inner circle, and the reaction is he is not a person worth listening to. I have no doubt he is every bit the SOB he is rumored to be, but I listened to the interview and a great deal of what he said makes sense to me, probably because I am not as enamored with the president as you are.

So here's my question. Do you think there will ever come a time when you think to yourself that the common denominator in all these dismissals is DJT, and perhaps it's DJT that should be vilified or dismissed? Is there a person on his team in whom you hold such high regard that upon his dismissal and subsequent character assassination would lead you to question Trump's decision making?

I ask this in all sincerity. You have indicated an unsurpassed devotion to the man and I am curious what he would have to do to get you to question your devotion. Again, I am not trying to insult you or any of his followers, I am sincerely curious what your answer will be.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Ponca I believe that there is a significant number of people that voted for Hillary or are in the small number of conservative never Trumpers who never liked Trump and are even more weary of him now.

However his core base is rock solid. Look at his popularity among Republican voters. The middle will move up and down based on the news of the day.

I personally don't see a winning message on the Democratic side. When this thing gets narrowed down to one candidate they are either going to have to do a 180 on everything they are promoting now or go all in on their radical ideas. Either way that will turn off independents. Especially in swing states in fly over country.

I agree with almost everything you said. I don't see any of the Democrats beating Trump. IMO Tulsi has the best chance, but the Democrat establishment will see to it she will not get the nomination. I think Trump is imminently beatable, but the right person will not get the chance to prove it.

 

[MegaPoke]

I have never thought DJT is particularly intelligent

It flabbergasts me that people come to this conclusion. There is no way he is in his position if he's not exceptionally intelligent. It's not luck at this point. Chalk it up to off the charts instincts, but I don't think that happens if you aren't particularly intelligent.

 

[Ponca Dan]

It flabbergasts me that people come to this conclusion. There is no way he is in his position if he's not exceptionally intelligent. It's not luck at this point. Chalk it up to off the charts instincts, but I don't think that happens if you aren't particularly intelligent.

I don’t think he is a moron, but neither do I think he is a genius or particularly mentally stable, both descriptions of which he has given himself.

 

[OKSTATE1]

It flabbergasts me that people come to this conclusion. There is no way he is in his position if he's not exceptionally intelligent. It's not luck at this point. Chalk it up to off the charts instincts, but I don't think that happens if you aren't particularly intelligent.

Well, he managed the rough NYC real estate world.

Intelligence is not all there is to success although it certainly is a great help.

Risk takers are the ones that achieve well and usually past their abilities. They have to be immune to failure and criticism, willing to persevere when others tell them to quit. They have to have self confidence, and be willing to go against the grain of traditional thought when their instincts tell them they are right.

No one accomplishes great things on pure luck, it certainly helps, but you have to be willing to take risks and most people do not manage risk taking well.

A Democrat that took a risk and ran on a more centrist platform IMO could really do well, too late for that, but there is a huge opportunity right now. None of the current Dem candidates are taking any real intelligent risks in terms of the approved Dem ideology of today.

You have to be willing to take some risks and lose it all, be it an election and perhaps you entire net worth.

Get knocked down 7 times, stand up 8.

 

[MegaPoke]

I don’t think he is a moron, but neither do I think he is a genius or particularly mentally stable, both descriptions of which he has given himself.

Let me be plain Dan. His *superpower* is being underestimated in this regard. He uses it like currency. There's plenty to disagree with the man about, but why people continue to intentionally underestimate him is beyond me.

Now, W? That guy was definitely not bright.

 

[OKSTATE1]

Let me be plain Dan. His *superpower* is being underestimated in this regard. He uses it like currency. There's plenty to disagree with the man about, but why people continue to intentionally underestimate him is beyond me.

Now, W? That guy was definitely not bright.

W was a box of rocks, do nothing Prez that did no good or harm. At this point no harm looks good compared to current Dem platforms.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Let me be plain Dan. His *superpower* is being underestimated in this regard. He uses it like currency. There's plenty to disagree with the man about, but why people continue to intentionally underestimate him is beyond me.

Now, W? That guy was definitely not bright.

Oh, I completely agree with you. I suppose where we part ways is I don’t see overwhelming raw intelligence in him. By his own admission he doesn’t read. He is off the charts in having the intelligence to manipulate people, finding scary boogeymen to point at and promise he’ll protect us. I thought I would never see a narcissist as great as Obama, but Trump’s narcissism is on an entirely different plane.

 

[OKSTATE1]

Oh, I completely agree with you. I suppose where we part ways is I don’t see overwhelming raw intelligence in him. By his own admission he doesn’t read. He is off the charts in having the intelligence to manipulate people, finding scary boogeymen to point at and promise he’ll protect us. I thought I would never see a narcissist as great as Obama, but Trump’s narcissism is on an entirely different plane.

If it was ALL about him, why give up his Presidential salary?

And WHY leave a great private life and put up with all of this? This is what concerns me, what non-career politician ever wants to run for Prez again seeing what they do to you?

The harder you come at Trump, that harder he pushes back. If the MSM just reported him fairly his tweets and behavior would be far different.

He is a fighter, NYC real estate mogul fighter. Negotiate fairly, keep it all business and not personal, and you can get along with Trump. He is fine walking away from a deal.

Otherwise, going to come back hard on the BS people spew. He did not have to be President, he could give a phuck what others think, which makes him a really unique politician.

 

[K2C Sooner]

Bad hires...some
Federal court judges, including the Supreme Court...Priceless.

 

[Ponca Dan]

If it was ALL about him, why give up his Presidential salary?

And WHY leave a great private life and put up with all of this? This is what concerns me, what non-career politician ever wants to run for Prez again seeing what they do to you?

The harder you come at Trump, that harder he pushes back. If the MSM just reported him fairly his tweets and behavior would be far different.

He is a fighter, NYC real estate mogul fighter. Negotiate fairly, keep it all business and not personal, and you can get along with Trump. He is fine walking away from a deal.

Otherwise, going to come back hard on the BS people spew. He did not have to be President, he could give a phuck what others think, which makes him a really unique politician.

He’s unique alright! I’m hoping he’s a one-off! Will you answer my question? Let me put it differently. Is there anything he can do, any person he would vilify, whose character he would malign that would make you take stock and change your mind about his fitness for office?

 

[OKSTATE1]

He’s unique alright! I’m hoping he’s a one-off! Will you answer my question? Let me put it differently. Is there anything he can do, any person he would vilify, whose character he would malign that would make you take stock and change your mind about his fitness for office?

If it is not called for and he is not being egged on by those calling him names and making false accusations? Definitely make me consider that wrong. The Dems are going to have to offer up a far better candidate for me to want him out over words, the actions the Dems want to take will destroy this country and ruin it as we know it.

 

[Headhunter]

He’s unique alright! I’m hoping he’s a one-off! Will you answer my question? Let me put it differently. Is there anything he can do, any person he would vilify, whose character he would malign that would make you take stock and change your mind about his fitness for office?

He'd have to shoot someone on 5th Avenue in broad daylight. The Democrat party is going full on socialist. History tells us over and over that leads to totalitarianism and disaster.

Trump is a full blown narssisit who has no fear because of it. The reason it doesn't turn us off is because he is delivering on what us average guys and gals have been longing for for decades.

We tried the civilized, dignified approach and the left totally bent us over and pounded our asses. They don't play that be nice to your opponent bullshit.

Trump is incapable of changing his stripes. Fine by me he. He hasn't done a damn thing on spending and I hate it. But given our alternatives. Who would spend us into oblivion, I am 110% behind him.