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THE GOP in Oklahoma is beyond stupid

Wasn't the lottery supposed to fund education and be some sort of massive amount of money so that taxes could be lowered?
 
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Wasn't the lottery supposed to fund education and be some sort of massive amount of money so that taxes could be lowered?

I have a very twisted view of the lottery.

I don't like having the state running a gambling ring, but in a way, it is a self-imposed tax and I am good with others volunteering their money to pay taxes if that is what they want to do.

I have also always wondered what it would look like if the state was to issue a report on the purchasers of lottery tickets, how much they spend and whether or not they get gov't subsidies.
 
Terrible opinion piece. It's time for politicians from both parties and their ardent supporters to realize that taxpayers are not a never-ending eternal well of money to support their terrible policies, cronyism, and blatant waste. The answer is all too often we need more tax money. When government at all levels gets more tax money, we the people have less money. When we the people have less money, we have to tighten our belts and be more selective with our expenditures and become more efficient. It's time our government learn that same concept.

When it comes to education in Oklahoma, cry me a river. Education folks in Oklahoma have resisted opportunities to become less wasteful and more efficient for years. Education in Oklahoma has been poorly managed for far too long. Things like school district consolidation to decrease administrative overhead costs are resisted because the fat cats on top don't want to eliminate their own comfy high-paying jobs even though it would be fiscally beneficial. A recent comparison of the Owasso school district with 9,600 students and one superintendent making $186,000 to the 9 school districts in Carter County with 9,300 students and 9 superintendents making a combined $730,000 is a perfect example of inefficiency and wasted money.

Oklahoma has a school district with a grand total of 86 students and its superintendent making $83,000 per year in addition to a full-time principal. It makes no sense that that school district can't be consolidated under a bigger, more efficient district for administrative costs.

Oklahoma has 516 school districts each with a superintendent with an average annual salary of $98,710. That's $51,000,000 a year just for CEO costs. Throw in principals, assistant principals, and that cost skyrockets. Too many fat chiefs and not enough pay for the indians.

I have no idea why I wasted my time posting in this troll thread. Guess I just needed to vent.
 
We just came out of an oil boom and our schools, roads, and pretty much all the other state agencies are a mess. I think it's safe to say the GOP has not done a good job. I'm sure the Democrats could have done an equally terrible job if they knew how to get elected.
 
Neek, exactly! The OP thinks that magically if the dems were in charge none of this would be an issue and unicorns would y out of everyone's arse. What the OP doesn't appear to understand is that the dems just have a different set of masters to answer to and fold up for. As R Lee Ermey said in Full Metal Jacket ....."You are all equally worthless!"

The ONLY answer to this stuff is term limits.
 
It's not only Oklahoma which overpays its administrators. Educational administrators and other government workers have reaped the largest monetary rewards over the past 7 years. These salaries are so out of whack that they shouldn't get any raises for the next 25 years until the private sector can catch up.
 
other government workers have reaped the largest monetary rewards over the past 7 years.

So I have to ask. Most government workers are GS-5/GS-6 which starts at $30,000 to $35,000 a year. Do they fall under this accusation of government employees being overpaid or making more than their peers? Let's take a look at administrative assistant salaries. In the private sector the median salary is $38,000 per year with a starting salary of $30,000 to $33,000. In most cases if an AA wants to work for the government they will have to start at a GS-5 step one (usually can move to GS-6 in year two) which is $32,000, right on par with their peers in the private sector. Hell, the average starting salary for a senior budget analyst in the private sector is $68,000 - $70,000. Most budget analysts that work for the federal government are GS-12 which starts at $70,000. Again, on par with their counterparts in the private sector. I guess an argument can be made over the benefits package but that's the only argument I see for the actual average employee.

Now, if you want to level the same accusation against those in the Senior Executive Service (SES), I agree for the most part. But when the media and people get on this kick and outrage over federal employee salaries the only people they are really hurting are the actual average employees being page general schedule or wage grade that are "middle class" right along with most everyone else. The people who are actually overpaid do not feel the brunt of that negative press, alarmism, and the political posturing that ensues. The larger problem in my opinion is the size of the departments, the number of federal employees they employ, and how top heavy some of them seem to be organizationally.
 
Very much agree imprimis. Administrators in government jobs are oblivious to reality. All too often we catch wind of financial waste and fraud but likely don't know even 1% of how wasteful they are. When nobody holds you accountable nothing really matters whether it's quality or fiscal responsibility.

I have a friend who left the health system I work for to take a very well compensated job in the FAA evaluating the electrocardiograms of pilots. She expected to be busy. She said reality was that she had 2 hours of actual work to do in 8 hours. She was told that the rest of the time she needed to bring a book to read or surf the internet because that was just how things were done. She left that job 3 months after she started due to boredom.
 
She said reality was that she had 2 hours of actual work to do in 8 hours. She was told that the rest of the time she needed to bring a book to read or surf the internet because that was just how things were done.

That is nuts.
 
So I have to ask. Most government workers are GS-5/GS-6 which starts at $30,000 to $35,000 a year. Do they fall under this accusation of government employees being overpaid or making more than their peers? Let's take a look at administrative assistant salaries. In the private sector the median salary is $38,000 per year with a starting salary of $30,000 to $33,000. In most cases if an AA wants to work for the government they will have to start at a GS-5 step one (usually can move to GS-6 in year two) which is $32,000, right on par with their peers in the private sector. Hell, the average starting salary for a senior budget analyst in the private sector is $68,000 - $70,000. Most budget analysts that work for the federal government are GS-12 which starts at $70,000. Again, on par with their counterparts in the private sector. I guess an argument can be made over the benefits package but that's the only argument I see for the actual average employee.

Now, if you want to level the same accusation against those in the Senior Executive Service (SES), I agree for the most part. But when the media and people get on this kick and outrage over federal employee salaries the only people they are really hurting are the actual average employees being page general schedule or wage grade that are "middle class" right along with most everyone else. The people who are actually overpaid do not feel the brunt of that negative press, alarmism, and the political posturing that ensues. The larger problem in my opinion is the size of the departments, the number of federal employees they employ, and how top heavy some of them seem to be organizationally.
Have you factored in the gov't pension?
 
Have you factored in the gov't pension?

No, that is why I said I can see an argument for the benefits package. I was strictly comparing salaries. However, I should add to this.

The larger problem in my opinion is the size of the departments, the number of federal employees they employ, and how top heavy some of them seem to be organizationally.

Go ahead and add the benefits package to this. I just think the wrong argument is being made. It's not the actual salary dollars received that's the issue in my opinion. We should focus on reducing size, number of FTEE, number of high level admin, and the benefits packages. Although I will say, many of the estimates we see assume the federal worker starts collecting retirement at the age of 62 but they don't factor in the penalty. I think you have to be 65 not to be penalized and someone who is 36 now won't be able to collect without penalty until 67. I'm not well versed on the retirement plan but a friend of mine who is told me this is how it will work for him.
 
That is nuts.
It was at the FAA office in OKC. She's been flying con air since she left and says that's a well managed department. She said the FAA job was the worst job she ever had because of the lack of work to do and the quality of her coworkers. She said they were all too happy to do nothing and were supported by the department administration.

The federal government has gotten too large for anybody to properly oversee. The state is bad as well. Waste everywhere.
 
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We just came out of an oil boom and our schools, roads, and pretty much all the other state agencies are a mess. I think it's safe to say the GOP has not done a good job. I'm sure the Democrats could have done an equally terrible job if they knew how to get elected.

Dems ran the state for the first 100 years
 
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OP - Is it just the teachers that make less in Oklahoma as compared to other states, or is it that way for professionals in other industries as well?
 
Yes, nothing justifies one's incompetence by theorizing someone else would've been incompetent too. Just can't figure out why republicans are so bad at government....
If we could only get the people responsible for Detroit , Chicago or Baltimore to run our state we'd be so much better off.
 
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Yes, nothing justifies one's incompetence by theorizing someone else would've been incompetent too. Just can't figure out why republicans are so bad at government....

As a previous poster stated you don't have to theorize, you just have to look at the first 100 years of statehood.

Look I think the GOP in this state is a joke but the Democrats are so incompetent they are still losing to the likes of Mary Fallin and Sally Kern. The Democratic Party in this state is so poorly run their statewide candidates have no chance. Which big time Democrat is going to win the next gubernatorial election? In fact...name a big time Democrat in the state...I can't think of one.

When I was a kid 20 years ago you didn't bother to register as a Republican in Osage County because half the time the Republicans didn't even field a candidate. The Democratic Party in this state has a real problem and for the sake of the state they need to figure it out. There is absolutely a place for the blue dog Democrats in this state but they're going to have to do an effective job of separating themselves from the national party.
 
So I have to ask. Most government workers are GS-5/GS-6 which starts at $30,000 to $35,000 a year. Do they fall under this accusation of government employees being overpaid or making more than their peers? Let's take a look at administrative assistant salaries. In the private sector the median salary is $38,000 per year with a starting salary of $30,000 to $33,000. In most cases if an AA wants to work for the government they will have to start at a GS-5 step one (usually can move to GS-6 in year two) which is $32,000, right on par with their peers in the private sector. Hell, the average starting salary for a senior budget analyst in the private sector is $68,000 - $70,000. Most budget analysts that work for the federal government are GS-12 which starts at $70,000. Again, on par with their counterparts in the private sector. I guess an argument can be made over the benefits package but that's the only argument I see for the actual average employee.

Now, if you want to level the same accusation against those in the Senior Executive Service (SES), I agree for the most part. But when the media and people get on this kick and outrage over federal employee salaries the only people they are really hurting are the actual average employees being page general schedule or wage grade that are "middle class" right along with most everyone else. The people who are actually overpaid do not feel the brunt of that negative press, alarmism, and the political posturing that ensues. The larger problem in my opinion is the size of the departments, the number of federal employees they employ, and how top heavy some of them seem to be organizationally.
Everyone on the board should read this - this is 100% correct in my opinion, based on experiences.

Thor - it sounds as if you have experience dealing with the federal government outside of your military service?
 
Everyone on the board should read this - this is 100% correct in my opinion, based on experiences.

Thor - it sounds as if you have experience dealing with the federal government outside of your military service?

I do. When I got out of the army I went back to school and took a work study position with the VA. The program does its best to place students in a service closely related to their field of study. I was a political science major so they decided that health administration was a good place for me. While working I saw how much of a difference a good health benefits advisor (HBA) could make for Veterans. Conversely, I also saw how a bad HBA could negatively impact Veterans. Anyway, I decided to apply for the position when it came open. I'm not going to lie, it was a tough and extremely high paced job but I learned a lot. I did it for 2.5 years before moving on. Some Veterans would flat out ask what we got paid. When I would tell them $29,000 - $30,000 it would surprise. Many said they assumed I was making like $70,000+. My manager didn't even make that.
 
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