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[CowboyJD]

Oh say what you want but only independent thought will bring you to the conclusion that the current admin is one of the most currupt in history.

If Hillory gets elected it is also evident that she and those around her are so corrupt that her admin will make the current one look like one of the most honest in comparison.

Again look at the history of 3rd parties in the US and again when has the libertarian party actually put forth a decent candidate.

Now i said if you Felt that you should actually go the 3rd party route you should start a completely new one. Do you have a problem with that or are you just so tied to the current one that you can't even think of that option.

Only independent thought can bring you to your conclusion that voting between/for either the crazy douche or the corrupt turd is the only way to go? That there are no other viable options no matter what you're trying to accomplish in your voting decision. Lol. Keep telling yourself that choosing between the shitshow candidates offered by the two ruling parties constitutes independent thought. It doesn't though.

You don't really understand ballot access law, do you? You don't really understand that who ends up President isn't the only issue in Presidential voting decisions, do you? You really don't understand how the electoral college works, do you?

You know that in Oklahoma, Trump's getting our electoral votes....right? Oklahoma hasn't gone Democrat for President since Johnson...and that's the only time since 1948. Given those facts, voting in Oklahoma....the only vote that gets ANYTHING done for me....the only one that isn't wasted...is a vote for continued third party ballot access at local, state, and national levels...by voting libertarian.

Start my own third party? Herp to the derp. The Libertarian party...including myself....went through the highly onerous petition process to get on the ballot in Oklahoma this year. To stay, we need 2.5% of the Presidential votes. If they stay on the ballot as an officially recognized party, there will be more local and state opportunities for true "independent thinkers" to run.

How about this. You vote for the crazy douche because you're scared of the corrupt turd being president. I'll vote for the idiot that has no chance of becoming President this year because I want more options at the state and local level. Trump will win Oklahoma's electoral votes, but probably lose the election as a whole. We'll all call it good.

 

[xplor58]

Sorry I have been offline for the last 10 days or so but to continue this conversation....

I am sorry that you worked so hard to get a party on the ballot in Oklahoma that has NEVER put out a decent candidate for President in its history. There is no reason to think that they will be able to field a decent candidate in the future.

My point about starting a new party is more like the Ross Perot model. Find the right candidate and launch a party with that person. Seems he went from scratch to getting like 20% of the vote in just a few short years. Eventually though his supporters were incorporated into one or the other or both current parties very similar to what happened a couple of different times in the early part of the last century. I imagine things would have been different if he had won.

Sure if you live in Oklahoma go ahead with your protest vote. I am just mindful that there a lots of folks on this board that live in other states, some of which are battleground states, so they may not have the luxury of voting as a protest.

BTW it is not about fear it is about doing what i think is right at this moment in history with the circumstances that this country finds itself in. You have a different opinion an you live in a state that affords you a different choice.....

 

[NeekReevers]

Sorry I have been offline for the last 10 days or so but to continue this conversation....

I am sorry that you worked so hard to get a party on the ballot in Oklahoma that has NEVER put out a decent candidate for President in its history. There is no reason to think that they will be able to field a decent candidate in the future.

My point about starting a new party is more like the Ross Perot model. Find the right candidate and launch a party with that person. Seems he went from scratch to getting like 20% of the vote in just a few short years. Eventually though his supporters were incorporated into one or the other or both current parties very similar to what happened a couple of different times in the early part of the last century. I imagine things would have been different if he had won.

Sure if you live in Oklahoma go ahead with your protest vote. I am just mindful that there a lots of folks on this board that live in other states, some of which are battleground states, so they may not have the luxury of voting as a protest.

BTW it is not about fear it is about doing what i think is right at this moment in history with the circumstances that this country finds itself in. You have a different opinion an you live in a state that affords you a different choice.....

I think most people this cycle are voting as a protest vote. Clinton voters are protesting Trump and Trump voters are protesting Clinton. Johnson voters are protesting both. You can count me as the latter.

 

[MajorMike_Ret]

There's too much money involved for there to ever be a viable third party or third party candidate.

I don't mean viable as in they wouldn't be a better choice but as in have enough money and backing and luck to carry enough to be relevant.

Every time someone starts to splinter off, money and promises usually pull them back in.

The exception was Perot, who didn't need the money or promises. But the GOP learned from this, as if it had not been for Perot, Bush would have had a 2nd term. That's why when the whole Tea party thing was faddish, they did everything possible to keep them under the blanket of the GOP.