The difference between Hamas and Israel
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It really is that simple.
No, it should have shown an Israeli jet dropping a bomb on a baby in a crib. But I get your point. Hamas intentionally murdered babies. Israel doesn’t intentionally target babies, just does it from afar, nice and clean without having to see the results. In either case a baby is dead.
Since you obviously do not think Israel should strike back what would your response be if you were the leader of Israel?
Good God you are hopeless. FU and your support of Hamas.
Criticizing Israel for dropping bombs on innocent people like babies is not support for Hamas. It’s criticizing the immoral practice of dropping bombs on innocent people like babies. FWIW the meme should have shown the Hamas terrorist shooting into the crib with the baby, not hiding behind it.Make those two changes and the meme would have been perfectly accurate.
I don’t know if there’s a short term solution, but I’m certain exchanging murder spree with murder spree is not it. Long term IMO Israel should change the way it sees Palestinians and treats them. Do not constantly hold their physical well being hostage: quit rationing their water, food, electricity. Create schools where they are taught things like the Three “R’s” and lure them away from schools that teach hate. Have a long term plan to either create a two state solution that all can accept or give them a long term plan for them to become citizens with the same rights and privileges and housing options, etc. currently not available to them. In exchange the Palestinians must disavow Hamas and Hamas tactics. The longer the peace holds the closer they get to a peaceful coexistence.
Looks to me like you blame Israel. The only problem you see with the Palestinians is Hamas. So much for you looking at two sides.
Israel is the one with all the leverage, it's not about blame, it's about the one with the easiest path and the most ability to bring about a peaceful solution. You're too hung up on trying to assign blame. That won't find a solution. It will just keep things the same way they are.
Japan got a dose of act right and are now one of our closest friends.
Israel has the leverage? Did Hamas not take a large number of hostages? Or did Hamas just kill the babies , women and children? Hamas blocked the Palestinians that want to leave so they have shields and to tug at people’s hearts Like you
Do you feel the same way about Hamas firing missles into Israel because they sent more over today
A 600,000 man military with a budget of $24 billion has enormous leverage over a military of 10-20,000 mostly poorly trained fighters (terrorists is a better term) with a budget of about $100 million that has been spent mostly on digging tunnels and bomb shelters to hide in. Hamas is doing the best it can as essentially guerrilla fighters, but they are hopelessly outclassed in both manpower and weaponry. The best they have been able do is put out stinging operations and then hide in their shelters while Israel kills a bunch of civilians. They have been annoying as hell and this last strike was the last straw, or so it seems, Israel means to crush all of Gaza. I will say it again: Hamas kills Israeli citizens and takes hostages for negotiating purposes, while Israel kills Palestinian citizens and takes a bunch of "prisoners" to barter for exchange with Hamas' hostages. Time goes by, rinse and repeat. IMO Hamas believes if they lay down their arms Israel will subjugate the Palestinians and possibly drive them out of Gaza and into the Sinai Desert. Israel has even said that is their plan, to push them into tent cities in the desert. So, yes, I think Israel has the leverage.
So Israel needs to use it's leverage to influence/convince/force the Palestinians to accept peace? How does Israel using leverage look to you?
In his mind the Palestinians are faultless through it all, only Israel is accountable for their actions. Remember his analogy about southside LA, never mind that black people run everything there, it's shit hole and violent crime is out of control, it's whiteys fault. SMFH
Calm down, Bearcat, you’re letting your emotions run too hot. I haven’t even pretended that the Palestinians are faultless. Hamas is Palestinian for goodness sake. I am advocating for those Palestinians who *are* mostly faultless, like the tens of thousands of them that trudge into Israel every day to work without causing any problems. Furthermore your Southside LA analysis is unhinged. Who said anything about anything in Southside LA being “whitey’s” fault? My comment was about the inability of unarmed “normal” people to throw out armed hoodlums that run unchecked in their neighborhoods. Stay cool, Brother. We’re just expressing opinions here.
What's to worry about? After all sleepy is traveling to Israel to calm everyone down. Hamas and Israel will be best friends after his visit. Notice I didn't mention Palestine? 😁
Yet in the southside of LA the unarmed normal people that are the victims of the armed hoodlums do nothing to stop the reign of terror, instead they rise up against any effort to reign the armed hoodlums in. Does that make them innocent when they rise up against those trying to reign in the armed hoodlums? Not IMO, it makes them complicit. Same with the Palestinians.
And once again, you see the Palestinians only problem being Hamas.
The difference could be determined by analogous events in recent years. Let’s start with the creation of ISIS abroad and BLM, et al here. The Arab Spring did not just happen like spontaneous combustion, it was cultivated by the US operatives needing to generate a cash flow from which to rob from both sides of the aisle.
Just like today with the Ukraine. They failed to file their paperwork to remain independent from Russia and as such remain a territory of Russia. Putin is fighting a civil war and certainly doesn’t want that stellar organization NATO on his border. (NATO = United Nations = Soros)
Otherwise, why did he not go into the Ukraine under a standard war plan where all major infrastructure is obliterated at the outset. I’m talking about power stations, dams, radar, production facilities, airports, pipelines, etc. All the backbones of a civilized society.
Putin went after underground facilities producing “gain of function” vaccines, child trafficking, adrenochrome production, child sacrifice and pedophilia.
When the Palastinians, (Hamas, pick one) were shown on camera descending from the sky in parachutes at the Israeli fair you should have known it was BS. I worked for a company headquartered in Herzliya for 8+ years and traveled there quarterly at least.
Their security appratus goes way beyond having armed soldiers on the streets. They are in Starbucks and in your phone as well. A mouse cannot take an unscheduled $hit in Tel Aviv without the directorate (you know who these guys are, right?) sure you do.
This “breach of security” at the festival smells much like the event in Lost Wages.
I ain’t sayin’ I’m right, I’m just sayin’. What is important is what you think. Otherwise, this becomes a billboard in lieu of a message board.
Lock, load & fire for effect. I’ve got a little more, but I need to understand just how far one can go.
OP nailed the graphic.
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Okay, I’ve had my say. Time for me to put a lid on it as Sleepy Joe would say it.
Hamas - Wikipedia
I read the entire post. I got out of it was it’s just not fair.
You should read about Hamas. Hell their wiki is probably interesting. Hamas is using the Palestinian people as pawns and shields. Hamas runs the government and CONTROLS its people. You speak or do anything bad toward the government bad things happen.
The majority of the Syrian and Jordan sheep share palestinian values. No difference between em. They've been indoctrinated to hate Israel.Hamas - Wikipedia
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I read the entire post. I got out of it was it’s just not fair.
You should read about Hamas. Hell their wiki is probably interesting. Hamas is using the Palestinian people as pawns and shields. Hamas runs the government and CONTROLS its people. You speak or do anything bad toward the government bad things happen.
So Israel is supposed to just sit back and take it while Hamas uses civilians and hostages as Shields?
There is no fair in war. There is only alive and dead, and however you remain alive is justified. Hamas (Palestine) knew the Israeli response would be violent. There is no other response that can be had to the invasion of Israel with human atrocities. Hamas declared war; you will have to excuse Israel for finishing it.
The two-state solution should be gone completely. The only solution on the table that will work will be recolonizing Palestinians to Muslim countries, but they don't want them either. If you don't the violence will continue over and over and over again. Even a two-state solution would continue the violence, which is no solution at all, as every time there is violence it will have to be worse than the last. Any talk outside of that is just BS on the table.
Biden and other World leaders going to Israel to delay the Israeli response is downright traitorous and make no mistake Biden is not there to help Israel.
The next dominoe has fallen, and the clock is closer to midnight.
The two-state solution should be gone completely. The only solution on the table that will work will be recolonizing Palestinians to Muslim countries, but they don't want them either. If you don't the violence will continue over and over and over again. Even a two-state solution would continue the violence, which is no solution at all, as every time there is violence it will have to be worse than the last. Any talk outside of that is just BS on the table.
Biden and other World leaders going to Israel to delay the Israeli response is downright traitorous and make no mistake Biden is not there to help Israel.
The next dominoe has fallen, and the clock is closer to midnight.
The fact the pro Palestinians refuse to accept is the Palestinian's and Iranian's idea of peace is the extermination of the Jewish people.
The resident peacenik's naivety is just astonishing.
Dumbf*&k thinks Israel can negotiate with these barbarians.
Oh they are well aware that the Arabs won’t ever negotiate for a real, lasting peace. Our resident libs know, and don’t care because they are antisemites.
I assume this is at least partially directed at me even though I'm not a resident lib. It comes as a surprise to me that you are unable to distinguish the difference between criticizing the actions of the Israeli government as government action and the scourge of antisemitism.
86% of Jews see Israel as vital to the ongoing existence of the Jewish people. Just because you say anti-Zionism =/= antisemitism, doesn't mean it's true.
