That was my pilot?!

[fairdinkem]

OK, this is for amusement only. I'm sure you remember Alan Funt. Further, my niece is 32-years old and is a captain on a Gulfstream 750 flying her clients all over the world. She is rated on 7-different jet aircraft & is a Gulfstream instructor pilot.

For fun only.

 

[fairdinkem]

OK, this is for amusement only. I'm sure you remember Alan Funt. Further, my niece is 32-years old and is a captain on a Gulfstream 750 flying her clients all over the world. She is rated on 7-different jet aircraft & is a Gulfstream instructor pilot.

For fun only.

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I stand corrected. I called my niece to tell her what I posted. She informed me that her current assignment was to a Gulfstream 650 not a 750. My fault, sorry.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Candid camera sure opened up a can of confusion for folks. Like they needed help. 😉

 

[Ponca Dan]

I stand corrected. I called my niece to tell her what I posted. She informed me that her current assignment was to a Gulfstream 650 not a 750. My fault, sorry.

My son-in-law flies the 330 for Delta. Like your niece he flies all over the world for Delta, Flew jets in the Navy before that.

 

[2012Bearcat]

I stand corrected. I called my niece to tell her what I posted. She informed me that her current assignment was to a Gulfstream 650 not a 750. My fault, sorry.

Ask her what her thoughts are of the simulator pilots that give regular pilots their annual training requirements. Specifically if she has ever worked with them on a real flight.

 

[trapped_in_tx]

Ask her what her thoughts are of the simulator pilots that give regular pilots their annual training requirements. Specifically if she has ever worked with them on a real flight.

I saw your post on tMB.

I sat next to a United pilot on an ORD-DEN 777 flight. He was the top pilot at United’s Denver 777 simulator facility. He captained that jet from DEN to ORD and was riding back in first class (I got a points upgrade 😁).

He talked about his military and United flight career. I think he would be an exception to what you heard about sim pilots - he had a crazy amount of commercial wide body fight hours before he shifted to majority simulator training. He also did much more than the minimum hours; he said he usually did one international run per month with a handful of domestic runs, 777 only.

If you have a 20y+ career pilot focused on sim training for ERJ, I think you are talking about a different animal. That dude should only be captain with a first officer that has significant experience, not some freshly certified DEI grad.

 

[fairdinkem]

OK, this is for amusement only. I'm sure you remember Alan Funt. Further, my niece is 32-years old and is a captain on a Gulfstream 750 flying her clients all over the world. She is rated on 7-different jet aircraft & is a Gulfstream instructor pilot.

For fun only.

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I stand corrected. I called my niece to tell her what I posted. She informed me that her current assignment was to a Gulfstream 650 not a 750. My fault, sorry.

Ask her what her thoughts are of the simulator pilots that give regular pilots their annual training requirements. Specifically if she has ever worked with them on a real flight.

Don't know what you are referring to. She is a captain with multiple ratings. It is not unusual that they serve as simulator instructor pilots for a specific rating or confirmation of rating. What specifically are you inferring?

 

[2012Bearcat]

I stand corrected. I called my niece to tell her what I posted. She informed me that her current assignment was to a Gulfstream 650 not a 750. My fault, sorry.


Don't know what you are referring to. She is a captain with multiple ratings. It is not unusual that they serve as simulator instructor pilots for a specific rating or confirmation of rating. What specifically are you inferring?

In every airline, pilots are required to undergo periodic flight simulator training. Flight simulator training is taught by pilots that do not want to do the job of flying planes, they want to be home every night. Nothing wrong with that but they lose and do not use skills pilots flying routes use daily.
One of my brother in laws is a retired commercial airline pilot and I talked too him about this crash. He had some different incites that I hadn't heard. He also is not very high on flight simulator pilots.

 

[fairdinkem]

In every airline, pilots are required to undergo periodic flight simulator training. Flight simulator training is taught by pilots that do not want to do the job of flying planes, they want to be home every night. Nothing wrong with that but they lose and do not use skills pilots flying routes use daily.
One of my brother in laws is a retired commercial airline pilot and I talked too him about this crash. He had some different incites that I hadn't heard. He also is not very high on flight simulator pilots.

What's your point here?

 

[2012Bearcat]

What's your point here?

Point being the Captain is reportedly one of those Simulator pilots. I've also heard the female that was at the controls may of had here scheduled changed numerous times in the week or so leading up to the crash that may have caused her to be exhausted. Will have to wait to see what the reports have to say.
We have family that are in the air industry both on the airline side and the air traffic control side. They have information and knowledge we don't have access to.

 

[purkey]

you guys are making a big mistkake in assuming a woman is at some kind of disadvantage when it comes to flying aircraft. They are not and are fully capable. Every pilot in the world, male or female, has made a bad decision or used bad judgement, it comes with the territory.
Don't know what exactly happened on that flight, but talk about being lucky. They were. It's not the sex that matters, but the brains...and judgement.

 

[trapped_in_tx]

you guys are making a big mistkake in assuming a woman is at some kind of disadvantage when it comes to flying aircraft. They are not and are fully capable. Every pilot in the world, male or female, has made a bad decision or used bad judgement, it comes with the territory.
Don't know what exactly happened on that flight, but talk about being lucky. They were. It's not the sex that matters, but the brains...and judgement.

If you look into the captain and first officer of the flight and their qualifications, as well as pilot critiques of the landing based on phone video from the cockpit of a different plane waiting to cross the runway, you will understand the comments in this thread in context.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Point being the Captain is reportedly one of those Simulator pilots. I've also heard the female that was at the controls may of had here scheduled changed numerous times in the week or so leading up to the crash that may have caused her to be exhausted. Will have to wait to see what the reports have to say.
We have family that are in the air industry both on the airline side and the air traffic control side. They have information and knowledge we don't have access to.

I'm curious what you mean by the term "simulator pilot."

 

[Ponca Dan]

If you look into the captain and first officer of the flight and their qualifications, as well as pilot critiques of the landing based on phone video from the cockpit of a different plane waiting to cross the runway, you will understand the comments in this thread in context.

I assume by your comment that you have looked into the qualifications of the pilot and first officer. Can you tell us what are their qualifications?

 

[2012Bearcat]

I'm curious what you mean by the term "simulator pilot."

Every commercial pilot is required to undergo flight simulator training every 6 months or so. These simulator training sessions are run by pilots that spend most of their time running simulator training. The way I understand it, flight simulator training is about different emergency situations not real flying. Meaning simulator pilots are not as accustomed to everyday flying, which as explained to me looked like a contributing factor to this crash.
Every simulator pilot is required to fly real flights every 6 months to keep up to date. Obviously flying a simulator with focus on emergency situations is different than flying a real flight.
I'm no expert by ay means, merely passing along what I've been told by a person that would know.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Every commercial pilot is required to undergo flight simulator training every 6 months or so. These simulator training sessions are run by pilots that spend most of their time running simulator training. The way I understand it, flight simulator training is about different emergency situations not real flying. Meaning simulator pilots are not as accustomed to everyday flying, which as explained to me looked like a contributing factor to this crash.
Every simulator pilot is required to fly real flights every 6 months to keep up to date. Obviously flying a simulator with focus on emergency situations is different than flying a real flight.
I'm no expert by ay means, merely passing along what I've been told by a person that would know.

My son-in-law is a commercial pilot and has been a simulator instructor, and I think he would disagree with your characterization of what a simulator pilot is.

 

[2012Bearcat]

My son-in-law is a commercial pilot and has been a simulator instructor, and I think he would disagree with your characterization of what a simulator pilot is.

Of course he would but there is no arguing he's not flying real flights everyday or that flying a simulator is different than real flying.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Of course he would but there is no arguing he's not flying real flights everyday or that flying a simulator is different than real flying.

I don't remember the requirements, but simulator instructors are required to take a certain amount of flights and a certain number of takeoffs and landings to maintain their status as pilots on the planes they fly. A person is made a simulator instructor because of his known ability as a pilot; they aren't just any old doofus, and it is insulting to act like they are. As for simulator "flights" my s-i-l says it is virtually impossible to tell the difference when you're doing them. Neither one of us knows, but he does.

 

[2012Bearcat]

I don't remember the requirements, but simulator instructors are required to take a certain amount of flights and a certain number of takeoffs and landings to maintain their status as pilots on the planes they fly. A person is made a simulator instructor because of his known ability as a pilot; they aren't just any old doofus, and it is insulting to act like they are. As for simulator "flights" my s-i-l says it is virtually impossible to tell the difference when you're doing them. Neither one of us knows, but he does.

Just two different opinions Dan. We are still allowed to have differences of opinion are we not?
What can not be argued is something went terribly wrong and caused the crash.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Just two different opinions Dan. We are still allowed to have differences of opinion are we not?
What can not be argued is something went terribly wrong and caused the crash.

Of course. I’m just relaying what a commercial pilot that has also been a simulator instructor tells me.

 

[fairdinkem]

My son-in-law is a commercial pilot and has been a simulator instructor, and I think he would disagree with your characterization of what a simulator pilot is.

My brother just retired after 30-years with American. The last 6-were in a B-787 on international routes. He flew 13-different aircraft just with American. Simulator time is like their annual medical check up. He is now a private pilot flying a nice Citation for a family friend. The simulator times described above are accurate. Pilots fly & instruct in the simulator. New equipment and/or flying techniques are learned & taught there.

His daughter, my niece is flying Gulfstream 650's and is a simulator instructor for the type. It's probably a good thing that you don't have to be tested annually or semi annually to practice your profession, though maybe you are.

 

[Ponca Dan]

My brother just retired after 30-years with American. The last 6-were in a B-787 on international routes. He flew 13-different aircraft just with American. Simulator time is like their annual medical check up. He is now a private pilot flying a nice Citation for a family friend. The simulator times described above are accurate. Pilots fly & instruct in the simulator. New equipment and/or flying techniques are learned & taught there.

His daughter, my niece is flying Gulfstream 650's and is a simulator instructor for the type. It's probably a good thing that you don't have to be tested annually or semi annually to practice your profession, though maybe you are.

My son-in-law thinks the concern about DEI is way overblown; they haven’t lowered any standards just so a minority can fly their planes. He says it’s all about how hard the candidate is willing to study and put in the time, and that boils down to each individual regardless of gender or race. His experience as an instructor showed him the older pilots who were set in their ways had the most trouble learning new guidelines. The flight crew of the overturned plane were relatively inexperienced. That’s why they were on a regional airline, to gain experience.

 

[fairdinkem]

My son-in-law thinks the concern about DEI is way overblown; they haven’t lowered any standards just so a minority can fly their planes. He says it’s all about how hard the candidate is willing to study and put in the time, and that boils down to each individual regardless of gender or race. His experience as an instructor showed him the older pilots who were set in their ways had the most trouble learning new guidelines. The flight crew of the overturned plane were relatively inexperienced. That’s why they were on a regional airline, to gain experience.

I have made zero mentions of DEI in this post. I believe anyone with a brain understands the inherent danger of favoring equality over merit. It means people die.

 

[2012Bearcat]

I have made zero mentions of DEI in this post. I believe anyone with a brain understands the inherent danger of favoring equality over merit. It means people die.

The only legit DEI concerns I've seen are in regards to ATC.

 

[Ponca Dan]

I have made zero mentions of DEI in this post. I believe anyone with a brain understands the inherent danger of favoring equality over merit. It means people die.

Oh, sorry, my mentioning of DEI was not directed at you. I can see where you might have thought it was since it was a reply to your comment. My apologies for the confusion.