Terence Crutcher was on pcp
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Oklahoma Drug Statutes Oklahoma Statutes Title 63 Public Health and Safety
2-203. Schedule I Characteristics: (1) High potential for abuse; (2) No accepted med use in US or lacks accepted safety for use in treatment under med supervision
2-204 Schedule I Substances: (A) Opiates: e.g., acetylmmethadol, dextromoramide (B) Opium derivatives: e.g., codeine and morphine compounds, heroic (C) Hallucinogenic substances: e.g., LSD, marihuana, mescaline, BZP, psilocybin, DMT (D) Depressants and Stimulants: e.g., Qualuudes, GHB, N-ethylamphetamine (F) synthetic cannabinoids
2-402(B)(1) Possession of Sched I or II substance (not marihuana or Sched II(D)) w/o valid prescription: felony; 4-20yrs; <$10,000, Except PCP: felony; immediate death penalty
2-203. Schedule I Characteristics: (1) High potential for abuse; (2) No accepted med use in US or lacks accepted safety for use in treatment under med supervision
2-204 Schedule I Substances: (A) Opiates: e.g., acetylmmethadol, dextromoramide (B) Opium derivatives: e.g., codeine and morphine compounds, heroic (C) Hallucinogenic substances: e.g., LSD, marihuana, mescaline, BZP, psilocybin, DMT (D) Depressants and Stimulants: e.g., Qualuudes, GHB, N-ethylamphetamine (F) synthetic cannabinoids
2-402(B)(1) Possession of Sched I or II substance (not marihuana or Sched II(D)) w/o valid prescription: felony; 4-20yrs; <$10,000, Except PCP: felony; immediate death penalty
Yes, he was shot and killed because he was in possession of PCP. Expert catch Mr. Matlock.
Racist. Maybe he took PCP for ADHD. We know for a fact he was returning home from college class when he broke down on the side of the road.
Side, middle, smiddle, stop trying to gum up the narrative with facts. Just stop. His family and their attorney said it was on the side of the road. Those folks definitely know more than us who only saw footage from the helicopter. Hell, the cops probably moved the vehicle after they shot him to make it look like he parked in the middle.
Hands up don't shoot!
if only there was a clear path to avoid being shot by police!!!! aaarrrggghhhh!!! What is the answer????? What actions can I take to live????
Damn popo's and their death penalty squads shooting up sober parents with no criminal records attending their kids soccer games.
Damn popo's and their death penalty squads shooting up sober parents with no criminal records attending their kids soccer games.
Oh well, then he deserved to be shot if he was on PCP.
Come on people. You are better than this.
Come on people. You are better than this.
This is the guy shot by the female officer right? Did you know female officers statistically more likely to shoot civilians? It's estimated that for every 1% increase in white female officers increases the shooting of civilians by 2.7%. Also, - 1% increase in female officers increases assault on officers between 15-19%. This only makes sense as they are not only more likely to be threatened but more likely to feel threatened. Want to decrease the likelihood of police shootings? Hire men, specifically, black men.
Link to study
Link to study
Yes, because that's what we're all saying. Geez.
Brilliant. Should I hold my breath waiting for you to quote a post that indicates he deserved to be shot because he was high on PCP? I don't want to risk death if you know upfront there aren't any.
What is wrong with your brain? Where did you see anywhere someone deserved to be shot for being on pcp? It amazes me how another human can read the same things I read and come to that conclusion.
Someone who drives a car is more likely to die in a car wreck. Someone who plays football is more likely to get a concussion. Someone who has sex is more likely to get an std. No one deserves those things, but they are all statistically unlikely if you walk, play checkers and don't fvck.
So why even bring it up or mention it? What does it have to do with the price of tea in China? Are we just starting threads about meaningless crap that has nothing to do with anything? I think I will start a thread titled "HighStickHarry drank coffee this morning."
Maybe because it could explain why his car was parked in the middle of the road and his behavior wasn't normal? Strangley enough, the events leading up to an officer shooting someone are kind of important.
It's obviously an indication of his state of mind and what the officers were dealing with.
Some narrow slivers of serious dumb ITT.
....like beams of light cutting through the darkness, nobody with eyes can deny it's there.
....like beams of light cutting through the darkness, nobody with eyes can deny it's there.
It is part of the story!!! We get to call him an idiot for being on pcp endangering all of our families and neighbors driving around in his car. We get to say he would be alive if he didn't do something so moronic as pcp, but we don't get to say he deserved to be killed.
It's like there is a wire missing in your thought process. All are relevant. If coffee made me cluck like a chicken and be in a dangerous state of mind while I drove to work with your wife and kids on the same road, my drinking coffee would have everything to do with the price of tea in China.
It's like there is a wire missing in your thought process. All are relevant. If coffee made me cluck like a chicken and be in a dangerous state of mind while I drove to work with your wife and kids on the same road, my drinking coffee would have everything to do with the price of tea in China.
Hey, he was just a member of the church choir on his way home from community college, right? Isn't that the narrative that his family and their attorney provided? If that's relevant, in their attempt to maximize the number of dollars that is to be extracted from the public coffers, then the revelation that he was on PCP has exactly the same relevance.
It'd be interesting to hear his ignorant wife now!? No drugs eh?
WRONG WRONG WRONG. See that is exactly why I made my original comment. He is dead because someone shot him, not because he did PCP.
Let me get this straight. You are telling me if he was not on pcp, was completely sober and laid down on the street as commanded he would still be shot by the cops that day? A simple yes or no will suffice.
And we are just assuming his car was parked in the middle of the road in this scenario because it broke down in the middle of the road.
And we are just assuming his car was parked in the middle of the road in this scenario because it broke down in the middle of the road.
Many people are arrested that act strange, erratic, drunk, high, etc. every day. They don't get shot. You cannot use "he was on PCP" as a justification for shooting him. Your statement was that he would still be alive if he didn't do PCP. That is trying to justify him being shot with him being on PCP. That is WRONG.
No he would not have been shot by the cops if he had not been on PCP and complied with commands. But neither being on PCP or not following commands, alone or together, is a justification for shooting someone.
May we postulate that both a trigger happy female cop and an individual who was high on PCP both were contributing factors in the event without suggesting that being high is a a justified death sentence?
Will analogies help?
How about a little help from our friend Harambe?
Harambe was shot by zoo security in protection of a little boy who had fallen/wandered into his cage. In their case it was justified because you can't take the chance with a human life. Crutcher's shooting was not justified in my opinion, but that's not the point. The point is that in both cases, a scenario existed where officers had to make a decision - in one case they were right (sorry Harambe) and in one they were wrong. But the similarity is that both were high stress scenarios where a decision regarding the use of force had to be made by people with guns.
Like Crutcher's use of PCP, a contributing factor in Harambe getting shot is the negligence of the parents of the little boy. They somehow lost track of him and allowed him to climb into the cage of a 500 pound monster. Both the PCP and the little boy in the gorilla cages CREATED scenarios that put a man (and a sainted beloved gorilla)'s lives in danger with tragic ends.
Nobody is saying Crutcher deserved to be shot. What they are saying is unlike poor Harambe, Crutcher created his own scenario through his own negligence and basically is a dumbass who predictably created a dangerous situation through his own negligence and selfishness that would not have happened had he not ingested PCP.
Get it? The scenario wouldn't have occurred if not for the psychotropic drug use. That's different than saying he deserved to be shot because he was high. Cops should be able to handle a situation like that without killing a guy. But that guy is clearly responsible for creating a dangerous situation where a dumb cop could make a fatal mistake.
The guy deserves a Darwyn award, not a place among deserving civil rights martyrs. And the cop deserves to stand trial for manslaughter. Both of these statements are independently true.
Again...
Where has anythimg to the contrary been stated?
Are you fighting against an imaginary boogyman?
So what? He needed his ass shot, then?
Did the cop say the window was open and the arrestee tried to reach through it when the window was really closed?
Did the cop say the window was open and the arrestee tried to reach through it when the window was really closed?
What I hear from you:
"Damn, he was actually fuked up. That's inconvenient to advance my war on cops. What's the next beachhead I can latch on to (move the goalposts). Oh yeah....blah blah blah"
You'd do yourself well to acknowledge fact THEN pivot to something else.
As is, you come across as entrenched in a position regardless of fact (which isn't surprising...but hey, free life lesson for you).
War on cops? I've defended cops in a court of law, both on the civil and criminal side. I reject your attempt to reduce my opinion or worldview to a binary analysis. I am pro- good cop, pro-citizen, anti-bad cop and anti-criminal.
In simple terms.
He should not have been shot.
He would be alive if he wasn't on drugs. Particularly that kind of a drug.
He should not have been shot.
He would be alive if he wasn't on drugs. Particularly that kind of a drug.
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