Some surprising results. Maybe DJT should rethink his prejudices.
http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2018/01/squalor_and_imm.html
http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2018/01/squalor_and_imm.html
Some Statitics Of Income Of Immigrants From Shithole Countries And Others
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I don’t give a **** how you try and polish these turds, but India and Indonesia are complete shitholes.
No one is polishing anything. Certainly not the author of the article (did you read the article?). India may indeed be a horrific place to live. The immigrants from India, however, are buying into the “American Dream” and are doing very well for themselves. From complete “shithole” to a quality life. America offers that to them and they have embraced it beyond any legitimate expectation. Better than the Norwegians. Imagine that!
I did not. Just saw the countries and rolled my eyes, so fair point, my bad.
Very surprised Nigeria was above Korea.
I don’t believe those numbers are necessary foreign born, so that makes it a little less interesting.
Before I read the article, does it address illegal immigration statistics in detail?
That is the proper context of the broader conversation.
That is the proper context of the broader conversation.
I don’t know for sure but I expect it is data from immigrants who are here legally. I won’t argue with you about the “context of the broader conversation” but it is my understanding DJT was speaking about bringing in people legally. If that is true the data supplied in the article is in the proper context.
Illegal immigrants from Africa? I don't think that is much of an issue but he still keeps demeaning them.
Because his natural gear is to demean. It's a large part of how he's gotten where he is.
Often times people who come from shitholes with no infrastructure or support are the hardest workers because they don't intend to rely on a safety net. America is better when we have all kinds of people come and incorporate themselves into our culture and add to it.
Judging someone from where they are from is bullshit. You judge someone on THEIR actions and where THEY are going as an individiual.
Judging someone from where they are from is bullshit. You judge someone on THEIR actions and where THEY are going as an individiual.
Trump is a captivating personality. I don’t believe he is a racist as some on this board claim. He looks at the world through the lens of winners and losers. He sees every activity as a competition. As a nationalist, a person that carries patriotism to an extreme, he is unable to see an individual for his own characteristics, but instead sees them as an extension of what he perceives their country to be. In his eyes a person from a shithole country must be a shithole himself. It’s a really perverted way of looking at the world. But, unfortunately, it’s a perspective shared by many people.
We get the brightest and best from many of these “shitholes.” Which is why we need a merit-based immigration system.
What about the current system do you think isn’t merit based? You ever sponsored a green card? You ever filed a perm labor cert? I-140? I-495? Ever gotten someone through to EAD? Curious what your experience is...
The current “chain migration” and green card lottery needs to end.
Do any of those help Portland become more diversified? I'm for anything that makes the whitest place in the US become more diversified. Not that being the whitest place in the country is caused by racism or anything...
Do you know what the lottery is? Let me help a little, it isn’t buy a ticket and win, it is show you are qualified and maybe get selected as the pool of eligible applicants (based on education/skills) far exceeds approved allocations.
By chain do you mean your spouse can come with you? How many desirable professionals do you think will come to the US to be rural doctors for instance if they can’t bring their spouse (after vetting)?
have you spent time in either? India is an amazing place, certainly some very impoverished areas, but amazing people, beautiful culture, incredible natural sites...
Personally, no. I have had many teams there and had many conversations with security consultants. Had one team at a firm in Mumbai. Always had this guy with a bucket standing outside the bathroom. One day he figured out what the guy did with the bucket. Had another team talk about the train to Taj Mahal and see people going number 2 in fields as the train went by. Doesn’t mean they don’t have some great people and culture, though. I still will never visit either place.
Indonesia provides a true experience in contrasts. Bali is lovely. The Gili Islands have the most beautiful waters you'll ever see. Down the road, Mataram is the worst town you'll ever visit in your life. Ranks right up there with Drumright in terms of places you never want to visit again.
I've been to Jakarta. It too is a study in contrasts. There'll be a 50 story marble high rise hotel or office complex surrounded by abject poverty in a tin roofed shanty village. Then another 50 story marble high rise. It's the only place I've ever felt unsafe traveling. Not because I'm an American or Christian or white. But because my jeans would feed a family for a month and my watch would have bought them a small house. I saw people fishing out of sewer drains.
That being said, there were also some wonderful people there. Hardworking, loving, just wanted the best for themselves and their families. America would be enriched if they were to come here.
VISA lottery...........this is how it was explained to me a few years ago...........my wife is British, we lived in England........she had to get her immigration VISA to move back to the US with me, it is a long, humiliating and expensive process. Since we were married once she qualified for her VISA she was automatically awarded it and she is a Permanent Resident of the US. If she had not been married to me, she would have applied and gone through the same process and once she qualified she would have been placed in the lottery. The US has quotas on how many immigrants we take from each country per year, so say if we take 5000 per year from the UK, and 20,000 apply and qualify those 20000 are put into the lottery and they select the 5, 000 available spots out of those qualified applicants........that is how it was explained to me........the lottery is not just picking a bunch of people at random, it is picking people that have gone through the process and are qualified to immigrate, just waiting for a spot to open
