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Some interesting facts about tariffs in this article about AOC's stupid take on Columbian situation.

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She is almost certainly right that a 25% tariff on Colombian coffee would raise the price of Columbian coffee in America. And she is correct that the citizens of the country imposing tariffs are the ones who pay for them. But the price increase would probably be felt only by the most marginalized citizens, and nobody cares what happens to them.
 
She is almost certainly right that a 25% tariff on Colombian coffee would raise the price of Columbian coffee in America. And she is correct that the citizens of the country imposing tariffs are the ones who pay for them. But the price increase would probably be felt only by the most marginalized citizens, and nobody cares what happens to them.
Such a simpleton.
 
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She is almost certainly right that a 25% tariff on Colombian coffee would raise the price of Columbian coffee in America. And she is correct that the citizens of the country imposing tariffs are the ones who pay for them. But the price increase would probably be felt only by the most marginalized citizens, and nobody cares what happens to them.
If I read the article correctly it explain how rare it is for the consumer to bear all of the additional costs. Maybe you should read the article again.
 
If I read the article correctly it explain how rare it is for the consumer to bear all of the additional costs. Maybe you should read the article again.
You'll get no argument from me that the consumer doesn't always have to pay "all" the cost; oftentimes the seller eats some of the price increase in a desperate attempt to keep market share. I'm making an economic point, not a political one. And economics says the citizens of a country imposing tariffs pay the brunt of the cost. AOC is correct in making that economic point. As a politician she is seriously flawed.
 
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You'll get no argument from me that the consumer doesn't always have to pay "all" the cost; oftentimes the seller eats some of the price increase in a desperate attempt to keep market share. I'm making an economic point, not a political one. And economics says the citizens of a country imposing tariffs pay the brunt of the cost. AOC is correct in making that economic point. As a politician she is seriously flawed.
You and AOC are made for each other. Next thing you know you will be complaining about the price of eggs and why Trump hasn't solved that in a week.
 
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You and AOC are made for each other. Next thing you know you will be complaining about the price of eggs and why Trump hasn't solved that in a week.
There is no need for the acrimony. Economic reality doesn’t play favorites based on which political team defies it. Anyone who thinks a 25% tariff on Columbian coffee would not cause a price increase in Colombian coffee is thinking incorrectly about the economics involved.
 
You'll get no argument from me that the consumer doesn't always have to pay "all" the cost; oftentimes the seller eats some of the price increase in a desperate attempt to keep market share. I'm making an economic point, not a political one. And economics says the citizens of a country imposing tariffs pay the brunt of the cost. AOC is correct in making that economic point. As a politician she is seriously flawed.
Have you looked into what illegal immigration is costing you from an economic standpoint?
 
You'll get no argument from me that the consumer doesn't always have to pay "all" the cost; oftentimes the seller eats some of the price increase in a desperate attempt to keep market share. I'm making an economic point, not a political one. And economics says the citizens of a country imposing tariffs pay the brunt of the cost. AOC is correct in making that economic point. As a politician she is seriously flawed.
The point is the citizens rarely bear the brunt of tariffs. And your point about the marginalized is true. But the marginalized have always and will always be affected more.
It could be worse. We could have an even more socialist economy and everyone would be marginalized.
 
The point is the citizens rarely bear the brunt of tariffs. And your point about the marginalized is true. But the marginalized have always and will always be affected more.
It could be worse. We could have an even more socialist economy and everyone would be marginalized.
Well, yes, of course it could be worse. In this case the tariffs were not imposed. The economic point (made by most economists) is the citizens almost always bear the brunt of tariffs. It’s absurd to think otherwise. The “political” point I have made frequently on this board is authoritarian policies almost always work until they don’t. Usually the point where they quit working comes hard and fast. And when that happens the generally accepted “political” conclusion is the policy quit working because it wasn’t authoritarian enough. Politicians love to have authority!
 
There is no need for the acrimony. Economic reality doesn’t play favorites based on which political team defies it. Anyone who thinks a 25% tariff on Columbian coffee would not cause a price increase in Colombian coffee is thinking incorrectly about the economics involved.
Maybe AOC fer yer national economist chief Dan? 🤣
 
There is no need for the acrimony. Economic reality doesn’t play favorites based on which political team defies it. Anyone who thinks a 25% tariff on Columbian coffee would not cause a price increase in Colombian coffee is thinking incorrectly about the economics involved.
What is the economic reality in this very situation Dan?
 
Are you starting to get it yet or still stuck in utopia?
My talk on this thread has been 100% about economics, not politics. Trump scored a wonderful political victory against a country that is considerably weaker than ours. Give him props for his victory. That doesn’t alter the reality that had Columbia not backed down and the tariffs had been imposed Columbian coffee would have cost more. For all her political miscues - and they are legendary - AOC was correct that a 25% tariff would have raised prices. All the hatred you can muster against AOC (and me) would not alter that outcome.
 
No. Have you?
Why yes, Dan, I have. But I really don't have to look when the astronomical figures are regularly presented in the public forum. They kinda fall out of the interwebs these days. The latest figure I saw was $150 billion a year as a conservative estimate.

The economic reality is nothing changed since the tariffs were not imposed.
Weird. I wonder why Colombia spent no time deciding they didn't want to face the threatened tariffs...
 
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Why yes, Dan, I have. But I really don't have to look when the astronomical figures are regularly presented in the public forum. They kinda fall out of the interwebs these days. The latest figure I saw was $150 billion a year as a conservative estimate.


Weird. I wonder why Colombia spent no time deciding they didn't want to face the threatened tariffs...
The others will follow Columbia's lead back to their rightful place.

The Trump effect.
 
Why yes, Dan, I have. But I really don't have to look when the astronomical figures are regularly presented in the public forum. They kinda fall out of the interwebs these days. The latest figure I saw was $150 billion a year as a conservative estimate.


Weird. I wonder why Colombia spent no time deciding they didn't want to face the threatened tariffs...
I gather by your comments you think I’m in favor of open borders with an unlimited flow of illegal immigrants into this country. I have no idea where you came to that conclusion. I am as opposed to that as you are.

Why did Colombia back down so quickly? What would you do if a heavyweight champion challenged you to a fistfight? As I said earlier, Trump won a political victory. Props to him for his win.
 
I gather by your comments you think I’m in favor of open borders with an unlimited flow of illegal immigrants into this country. I have no idea where you came to that conclusion. I am as opposed to that as you are.

Why did Colombia back down so quickly? What would you do if a heavyweight champion challenged you to a fistfight? As I said earlier, Trump won a political victory. Props to him for his win.
Columbia backed down because a US Prez with a sack is now in charge. The rest of the third world Central and South American countries will or should I say, have no choice but to follow suit. Homan is rounding up sleepy's guests by the thousands as we speak. Call it a "circumcision".


MAGA! 🖕
 
I gather by your comments you think I’m in favor of open borders with an unlimited flow of illegal immigrants into this country. I have no idea where you came to that conclusion. I am as opposed to that as you are.
No, Dan, stop gathering and creating your own conclusions. You're far off the mark.

I'm making the point that the costs of illegal immigration far outweigh the inconvenience of you having to spend a few more cents on Colombian coffee that you aren't required or obligated to purchase. You, just like me, have no choice when it comes to subsidizing illegal immigration monetarily, which is only one issue on the subject.

Why did Colombia back down so quickly? What would you do if a heavyweight champion challenged you to a fistfight? As I said earlier, Trump won a political victory. Props to him for his win.
Correct. There's no need to clutch your pearls at every mention of "tariff." Some of your clutching I'm actually on board with. Slapping the socialist dipshit in Colombia around so that he'll take his criminals back isn't in that some.
 
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My talk on this thread has been 100% about economics, not politics. Trump scored a wonderful political victory against a country that is considerably weaker than ours. Give him props for his victory. That doesn’t alter the reality that had Columbia not backed down and the tariffs had been imposed Columbian coffee would have cost more. For all her political miscues - and they are legendary - AOC was correct that a 25% tariff would have raised prices. All the hatred you can muster against AOC (and me) would not alter that outcome.
Yet the politics is also part of the economics.
 
No, Dan, stop gathering and creating your own conclusions. You're far off the mark.

I'm making the point that the costs of illegal immigration far outweigh the inconvenience of you having to spend a few more cents on Colombian coffee that you aren't required or obligated to purchase. You, just like me, have no choice when it comes to subsidizing illegal immigration monetarily, which is only one issue on the subject.

Correct. There's no need to clutch your pearls at every mention of "tariff." Some of your clutching I'm actually on board with. Slapping the socialist dipshit in Colombia around so that he'll take his criminals back isn't in that some.
It’s late and I’m tired so I’ll just respond to the second part of the conversation tonight, maybe tackle the first part tomorrow. We’re just talking past each other about it anyway, agree far more than disagree.

Nothing I have written on this thread represents pear clutching of any kind. Tariffs work until they don’t work, and when they don’t work they ruin some people’s livelihoods. Remember the farmers and small factories in the midwest who were driven to ruin by Trump’s tariffs the first time around? It was so bad he had to try and spin it into thanking them for their patriotic sacrifices, as though they had voluntarily sacrificed themselves. It is one factor that cost him reelection in ‘20, because they did not appreciate being sacrificial lambs for him. And tariffs on coffee is unlikely to ruin many American lives, but would have a great impact on Colombians. Which may have driven some of them into sneaking into America, who knows. But all of that is superficial to the economic argument that the tariff would have raised coffee prices. And that’s the only - completely non-pearl-clutching - argument I am making here. How many times do you want me to say it: Trump scored a significant political victory with his threat.
 
It’s late and I’m tired so I’ll just respond to the second part of the conversation tonight, maybe tackle the first part tomorrow. We’re just talking past each other about it anyway, agree far more than disagree.
Ok.
Nothing I have written on this thread represents pear clutching of any kind. Tariffs work until they don’t work, and when they don’t work they ruin some people’s livelihoods. Remember the farmers and small factories in the midwest who were driven to ruin by Trump’s tariffs the first time around? It was so bad he had to try and spin it into thanking them for their patriotic sacrifices, as though they had voluntarily sacrificed themselves. It is one factor that cost him reelection in ‘20, because they did not appreciate being sacrificial lambs for him. And tariffs on coffee is unlikely to ruin many American lives, but would have a great impact on Colombians. Which may have driven some of them into sneaking into America, who knows. But all of that is superficial to the economic argument that the tariff would have raised coffee prices. And that’s the only - completely non-pearl-clutching - argument I am making here. How many times do you want me to say it: Trump scored a significant political victory with his threat.
You jumped on the AOC bandwagon over the threat of a tariff. Sorry bro, that's pearl clutching.
 
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Why is the distinction between Colombia, Columbia and Calombia such a difficult one for the Americans?

Columbia is the factory store at the outlet mall. It's not hard.
 
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