She’s Right, You Know

[2012Bearcat]

What was "overzealous" about the indictment?

Espionage Act, LMAO

Why don't you put your politics aside for once?

Why don't you. Charging Trump under the Espionage Act, forcing the violation attorney client privilege, SWAT Raids is 100% abuse of power by the DOJ and those in the court system. You know it I know and so does half the country. Over half the country thinks this is all political. Democrats and the Washington Establishment have been trying to get Trump from day one, going so far as to make up lies, try to impeach him knowing the charges were false, violating people's Constitutional rights, changing laws to make it possible to prosecute him etc, etc. Because you oppose Trump you are unwilling to see the other side of the coin.

All you are doing in parroting Trump's talking points. You are trying to deflect away from the crimes Trump allegedly committed and shift the blame to others.

All you are doing is parroting Democrat talking points. Sorry but there are tow sides to every story and we are on opposing sides 99.9% of the time.

Are you ever going to hold Trump accountable? Will you ever set your politics aside for once?

Accountable for what? Russia Collusion, Asking Ukraine to look into Biden's corruption, Taking Presidential Documents like every President before him, expected the aw to be equally applied, tweeting mean things, hurting Democrat feelings, not bowing down to the Washington Establishment? Nothing to hold him accountable for at this point.
When are you and your kind going to apologize for the lies, abuse of power and throwing a temper tantrum like a spoiled child?

lol

How was the indictment political?

I don't expect you to see it, you don't care your side has abused it's power to try and get Trump.

 

[my_2cents]

Saying the prosecution is politically motivated is not "defending" Trump. It's looking at reality.

It is absolutely an attempt to defend Trump. It is one of the exact talking points that Trump and his defenders are using.

Still though, both can't be true. One cannot believe this "whole" thing is political theater and also believe that Trump deserved to be charged apart from politics and according to the rule of law.

So make up your mind, which one is it Dan? Can you firmly commit to holding Trump accountable for his own actions without engaging in deflection, whataboutism, and attempting to shift the blame?

 

[2012Bearcat]

Shit britches is next. 😁

I doubt it. Republicans are spineless and more than likely just as guilty as Biden. Washington is a cesspool of corruption and they all know where each others skeletons are buried.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

The funny part about all of this joe floating on his cloud! I can't stop laughing! 🤣

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

I doubt it. Republicans are spineless and more than likely just as guilty as Biden. Washington is a cesspool of corruption and they all know where each others skeletons are buried.

They all sleep with each other. 👍

 

[2012Bearcat]

It is absolutely an attempt to defend Trump. It is one of the exact talking points that Trump and his defenders are using.

Still though, both can't be true. One cannot believe this "whole" thing is political theater and also believe that Trump deserved to be charged apart from politics and according to the rule of law.

So make up your mind, which one is it Dan? Can you firmly commit to holding Trump accountable for his own actions without engaging in deflection, whataboutism, and attempting to shift the blame?

If you can't admit the Democrats made everything political after the Russian Collusion BS you have no credibility and are seen as a political hack.

 

[my_2cents]

That's just stupidity on display. Of course Trump will have a defense and it will be vigorous and sensible.

What is the sensible defense then and how does his legal team go about setting up that defense?

btw, in that interview, they were talking about the "I declassified the documents defense." And they both made very good legal arguments about how weak of a defense that is, especially if one wants to keep Trump off the stand.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

What is the sensible defense then and how does his legal team go about setting up that defense?

btw, in that interview, they were talking about the "I declassified the documents defense." And they both made very good legal arguments about how weak of a defense that is, especially if one wants to keep Trump off the stand.

Sleepy's last stand? 🤣

 

[my_2cents]

Trump skates. 👍

. . .

Only a fool would think Trump would be charged with anything. Smh.

 

[my_2cents]

Espionage Act, LMAO

This isn't overzealous at all. It is good law.

Why don't you. Charging Trump under the Espionage Act, forcing the violation attorney client privilege, SWAT Raids is 100% abuse of power by the DOJ and those in the court system. You know it I know and so does half the country. Over

There has been no abuse of power, except by perhaps Donald Trump, as the indictment clearly lays out.

Charging Trump under the Espionage Act makes perfect legal sense and the standard was clearly met to charge him under this. Attorney client privilege is not unlimited, and every lawyer will tell you this. You can't hide behind this privilege to break the law. And the search of Mar-a-Lago was a legal court sanctioned search. Not to mention that Trump was given ample opportunity to return the documents before that search occurred. He refused to. Trump's own actions is what brought about the legal search.

Because you oppose Trump you are unwilling to see the other side of the coin.

I disagree with this. I'm listening to the arguments you cultists are throwing out as you attempt to defend Trump. They just aren't valid arguments though and they don't align with reality.

Not to mention that, as usual, you are projecting. You are the one defending Trump at all costs and refusing to see the other side of the coin, as it relates to all of this. You have bought the Trump talking points that this is all political and you refuse to consider any other alternative.

you don't care your side has abused it's power to try and get Trump.

There is no evidence of any abuse of power from anyone associated with this Investigation and now, prosecution of Trump. And you have yet to provide any evidence of such abuse of power.

There is a lot of evidence though about Trump's abuse of power though. Why aren't you talking about that evidence? Why are you ignoring all that evidence?

Yeah we both know why. Pawn.

Nothing to hold him accountable for at this point.

If Trump is guilty of all or even some of the charges laid out in the indictment, should he be held accountable? Yes or no?

 

[Ponca Dan]

It is absolutely an attempt to defend Trump. It is one of the exact talking points that Trump and his defenders are using.

Still though, both can't be true. One cannot believe this "whole" thing is political theater and also believe that Trump deserved to be charged apart from politics and according to the rule of law.

So make up your mind, which one is it Dan? Can you firmly commit to holding Trump accountable for his own actions without engaging in deflection, whataboutism, and attempting to shift the blame?

You saying I’m defending Trump does not prove I’m defending Trump. It just means you’re looking for something to nitpick. And both can be true because both are true. The deep state has been throwing mud on the wall for years hoping to find something that would stick. Well, something finally stuck.

I have never shied away from holding Trump responsible for his actions when his actions call for it. The prosecution this time is aporopriate. That doesn’t alter the fact his political enemies fished for malfeasance. Both are true at the same time.

And there is no place in this thread where I have resorted to “whataboutism” or deflection. You’re trying too hard. Now go away, you’re boring.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

This isn't overzealous at all. It is good law.


There has been no abuse of power, except by perhaps Donald Trump, as the indictment clearly lays out.

Charging Trump under the Espionage Act makes perfect legal sense and the standard was clearly met to charge him under this. Attorney client privilege is not unlimited, and every lawyer worth his salt will tell you this. You can't hide behind this privilege to break the law. And the search of Mar-a-Lago was a legal court sanctioned search. Not to mention that Trump was given ample opportunity to return the documents before that search occurred. He refused to. Trump's own actions is what brought about the legal search.


I disagree with this. I'm listening to the arguments you cultists are throwing out as you attempt to defend Trump. They just aren't valid arguments though and they don't align with reality.

Not to mention that, as usual, you are projecting. You are the one defending Trump at all costs and refusing to see the other side of the coin, as it relates to all of this. You have bought the Trump talking points that this is all political and you refuse to consider any other alternative.


There is no evidence of any abuse of power from anyone associated with this Investigation and now, prosecution of Trump. And you have yet to provide any evidence of such abuse of power.

There is a lot of evidence though about Trump's abuse of power though. Why aren't you talking about that evidence? Why are you ignoring all that evidence?

Yeah we both know why. Pawn.


If Trump is guilty of all or even some of the charges laid out in the indictment, should he be held accountable? Yes or no?

That joe poster on yer wall yer inspiration?

 

[my_2cents]

Over half the country thinks this is all political.

This is not necessarily true and really depends on what poll one looks at and the nature of the questions being asked.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

This is not necessarily true and really depends on what poll one looks at the nature of the questions being asked.

Is this you Hunter? 🤣

 

[my_2cents]

If you can't admit the Democrats made everything political after the Russian Collusion BS you have no credibility and are seen as a political hack.

I don't believe nor do I see any evidence that this investigation and now prosecution of Trump is political. The indictment is definitely not political.

Sure, Trump is a politician and Democrats have played politics with him. Just as Republicans are currently doing with Biden.

However, not everything is political. There is the rule of law. And when you follow Trump down the road of consistently attacking the rule of law and claiming that upholding the rule of law is nothing but politics, you do a serious disservice to our nation.

 

[2012Bearcat]

This is not necessarily true and really depends on what poll one looks at the nature of the questions being asked.

There in lies the problem, half the country should not question if the DOJ is being political but you think they are all nuts.

 

[my_2cents]

And both can be true because both are true.

No they can't be.

One cannot believe this "whole" thing is political theater while also claiming Trump deserved to be charged apart from politics and according to the rule of law.

If Trump deserved to be charged apart from politics and according to the rule of law, then the whole thing isn't political. Some of it, at least, has to be non-political.

So which one is it Dan? Make up your mind.

The prosecution this time is aporopriate.

Then the "whole" thing isn't just political theater, correct?

 

[2012Bearcat]

I don't believe nor do I see any evidence that this investigation and now prosecution of Trump is political. The indictment is definitely not political.

Sure, Trump is a politician and Democrats have played politics with him. Just as Republicans are currently doing with Biden.

However, not everything is political. There is the rule of law. And when you follow Trump down the road of consistently attacking the rule of law and claiming that upholding the rule of law is nothing but politics, you do a serious disservice to our nation.

You don't have to convince me what you see, all I have to do is listen to the MSM or any Democrat to get your point of view. You always side and carry water for Democrats.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

No they can't be.

One cannot believe this "whole" thing is political theater while also claiming Trump deserved to be charged apart from politics and according to the rule of law.

If Trump deserved to be charged apart from politics and according to the rule of law, then the whole thing isn't political. Some of it, at least, has to be non-political.

So which one is it Dan? Make up your mind.


Then the "whole" thing isn't just political theater, correct?

It's official, yer the one that wipes joes ass. You pathetic fool! You doin nanshee or giving Paul his hammer? 🤣

 

[my_2cents]

half the country should not question if the DOJ is being political but you think they are all nuts.

They don't.

Forty-something percent of the country isn't half the country. And remember, it is Republican intense loyalty to Trump at this moment that is driving the "this is only politics" numbers. Republicans are much more consistently willing to believe this is all political than other Americans, which really isn't surprising. But there are signs of cracks slowly appearing in that intense loyalty to Trump.

For example, one poll found that 62% of Americans (including 35% of Republicans) said it was believable that Trump illegally stored classified documents at his home in Florida as alleged.

With all of this said, we are still early in this prosecution and opinions can easily change as we move forward.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

They don't.

40 something percent of the country isn't half the country. And remember, it is Republican intense loyalty to Trump at this moment that is driving the "this is only politics" numbers. Republicans are much more consistently willing to believe this is all political than other Americans, which really isn't surprising. But there are signs of cracks slowly appearing in that intense loyalty to Trump.

For example, one poll found that 62% of Americans (including 35% of Republicans) said it was believable that Trump illegally stored classified documents at his home in Florida as alleged.

With all of this said, we are still early in this prosecution and opinions can easily change as we move forward.

Joes proud of ya son. You should be awarded some kinda medal of valor. Yer that smart. 🤣

 

[my_2cents]

You always side and carry water for Democrats.

No I don't.

How many times have I told you that I support investigating Biden and that if Biden broke any laws, he should be charged? Is this carrying water for Democrats?

Again, you are projecting. You are the one that always maintains the Republican party line and you always defend Trump. Even now when he has been legally charged, you are trying your hardest to defend him and claim it is all political. You are repeating the exact talking points Trump wants you to repeat. You are openly attacking the rule of law to defend a Republican politician. Heck, you couldn't even bring yourself to speak out against Ken Paxton a few weeks ago lol!

Not everyone is like you Bearcat. So stop projecting all the time.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

No I don't.

How many times have I told you that I support investigating Biden and that if Biden broke any laws, he should be charged? Is this carrying water for Democrats?

Again, you are projecting. You are the one that always maintains the Republican party line and you always defend Trump. Even now when he has been legally charged, you are trying your hardest to defend him and claim it is all political. You are repeating the exact talking points Trump wants you to repeat. You are openly attacking the rule of law to defend a Republican politician. Heck, you could even bring yourself to speak out against Ken Paxton a few weeks ago lol!

Not everyone is like you Bearcat. So stop projecting all the time.

Coconuts have the best milk.

 

[my_2cents]

@2012Bearcat . . .

If Trump is guilty of all or even some of the charges laid out in the indictment, should he be held accountable? Yes or no?

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

@2012Bearcat . . .

If Trump is guilty of all or even some of the charges laid out in the indictment, should he be held accountable? Yes or no?

How bout joe? Or hills fer her crimes? C'mon jr.

You can do it!

 

[my_2cents]

How bout joe? Or hills fer her crimes?

Yes and yes.

Now your turn . . .

If Trump is guilty of all or even some of the charges laid out in the indictment, should he be held accountable? Yes or no?

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Yes and yes.

Now your turn . . .

If Trump is guilty of all or even some of the charges laid out in the indictment, should he be held accountable? Yes or no?

You obviously can't comprehend how this works! C'mon boy!

 

[my_2cents]

You obviously can't comprehend how this works! C'mon boy!

So once again, no answer from you to a simple question regarding Trump.

Got it.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

So once again, no answer from you to a simple question regarding Trump.

Got it.

I think you should wrinkle yer neurons. 🤣

 

[Tulsaaggieson]

So this is all you are left with, huh? lol

What you are arguing for here is not a legitimate defense to these charges. Not to mention that unless Trump has a document or a witness to point to, Trump is going to have to take the stand and testify if his lawyers decide to use this very weak defense.

Even some of your fellow right-wingers who understand the law know this. Maybe you should start listening to someone other than Trump. Maybe, for once, stop bending over backwards to defend a conman and a crook.

Andy McCarthy Shoots Down Trump’s Top Argument Against Indictment: ‘I Don’t Think He Has a Defense’

First, Trump has to prove nothing. Not a thing. The FBI on the other hand will have to show the classified documents to prove they were classified. Are they willing to do that? I don't know. Its the question I am waiting for and could decide the case if the FBI does or does not. They can't make vague statements like it was a national security issue and not prove it is a national security issue. I'm surprised at how many missed that one in the indictment. These claims that if these allegations are true then its bad for Trump are silly, because you have to make an factual allegations first not vague references.

Anyway, His defense team team will try to make this about the presidential records act and not about the espionage act. Frankly I think this wins it in and of itself. We will see how that turns out.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

First, Trump has to prove nothing. Not a thing. The FBI on the other hand will have to show the classified documents to prove they were classified. Are they willing to do that? I don't know. Its the question I am waiting for and could decide the case if the FBI does or does not. They can't make vague statements like it was a ntional security issue and not prove it is a national security issue. I'm surprised at how many missed that one in the indictment. These claims that if these allegations are true thennits bad for Trump. Realy, because you have to make an factual allegations first not vague references.

Anyway, His defense team team will try to make this about the presidential records act and not about the espionage act. Frankly I think this wins it in and of itself. We will see how that turns out.

Possibly expose the Biden administration?

 

[Ponca Dan]

No they can't be.

One cannot believe this "whole" thing is political theater while also claiming Trump deserved to be charged apart from politics and according to the rule of law.

If Trump deserved to be charged apart from politics and according to the rule of law, then the whole thing isn't political. Some of it, at least, has to be non-political.

So which one is it Dan? Make up your mind.


Then the "whole" thing isn't just political theater, correct?

The *whole* thing has been politically motivated from start to finish. From the overzealous raid (looking through the panty drawer - really?) to the timing of the dropping of the indictment (which helped push the Biden bribery scandal to the back pages) only a partisan blockhead would argue otherwise. So I guess that tells us what you are. From the looks of things Trump deserves to be charged regardless of the double standard so obviously present, regardless of the political motivation behind the prosecution. That’s the thesis of Coulter’s piece, and I agreed with her from the outset. Trump knew there is a double standard that would be used against him and he tested the waters only to discover they’re very hot. But he’s innocent until proven otherwise. Jury selection will be crucial for him.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

No wonder opras rich. Bunch of drama queens. Fat homemakers.

 

[Tulsaaggieson]

Possibly expose the Biden administration?

It very well could. Tney haven't once shown thier hand about what they claim was a national security risk, but to prove Trump guilty you may have to prove Biden guilty as well. I do like some irony so that idea is appealing.

 

[my_2cents]

First, Trump has to prove nothing.

I assume you meant Trump doesn't have to prove nothing. And that is true. However, if his defense team plans on attempting to establish the defense you keep referencing, how do they do it without placing Trump on the stand?

The FBI on the other hand will have to show the classified documents to prove they were classified. Are they willing to do that?

There would have been no indictment if this hadn't already been discussed and a plan set forth to do just this according to the Classified Information Procedures Act. Procedures will be followed.

These claims that if these allegations are true then its bad for Trump are silly, because you have to make an factual allegations first not vague references.

There are many factual allegations in the indictment. Yes, the prosecution will now have to prove Trump's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in the courtroom. Which they will attempt to do.

Anyway, His defense team team will try to make this about the presidential records act and not about the espionage act.

Perhaps so, but again, that is why I shared the above link with you. Pursuing this defense creates a lot of problems for Trump and appears on its face to be a very weak defense.

You have yet to comment on any of this, of course. All you are doing is repeating what Trump says at campaign rallies and acting like his claims are a slam dunk. When they clearly aren't.

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

lol

Man, you cultists are really struggling right now.

Skittles apparently has not experienced the world outside his parents’ basement.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

I assume you meant Trump doesn't have to prove nothing. And that is true. However, if his defense team plans on attempting to establish the defense you keep referencing, how do they do it without placing Trump on the stand?


There would have been no indictment if this hadn't already been discussed and a plan set forth to do just this according to the Classified Information Procedures Act. Procedures will be followed.


There are many factual allegations in the indictment. Yes, the prosecution will now have to prove Trump's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in the courtroom. Which they will attempt to do.


Perhaps so, but again, that is why I shared the above link with you. Pursuing this defense creates a lot of problems for Trump and appears on its face to be a very weak defense.

You have yet to comment on any of this, of course. All you are doing is repeating what Trump says at campaign rallies and acting like his claims are a slam dunk. When they clearly aren't.

Don't tell me joe ain't smiling in yer face. 🤣

 

[2012Bearcat]

They don't.

Forty-something percent of the country isn't half the country. And remember, it is Republican intense loyalty to Trump at this moment that is driving the "this is only politics" numbers. Republicans are much more consistently willing to believe this is all political than other Americans, which really isn't surprising. But there are signs of cracks slowly appearing in that intense loyalty to Trump.

For example, one poll found that 62% of Americans (including 35% of Republicans) said it was believable that Trump illegally stored classified documents at his home in Florida as alleged.

With all of this said, we are still early in this prosecution and opinions can easily change as we move forward.

Of excuse the hell out of me it's only 47% of the country. SMFH And that's with people only seeing a one sided indictment written for maximum political effect.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Of excuse the hell out of me it's only 47% of the country. SMFH And that's with people only seeing a one sided indictment written for maximum political effect.

She got let down. Cant hold it against her. 😉

 

[my_2cents]

The *whole* thing has been politically motivated from start to finish.

Well first of all, this whole thing isn't finished. But ok, if this is your position, you can no longer claim Trump deserved to be charged apart from politics and according to the rule of law.

Is this now your official position? That this whole thing has been politically motivated from start to finish, even though we aren't even finished yet lol?

From the overzealous raid (looking through the panty drawer - really?) to the timing of the dropping of the indictment (which helped push the Biden bribery scandal to the back pages) only a partisan blockhead would argue otherwise.

The search was legally authorized and as far as we know, legally executed. And I don't know why you question where federal officials looked now that the indictment has been unsealed and we know where all these documents were allegedly found. As for your claim that the timing of the indictment was political, you have zero evidence to back this claim up. Just purely speculation on your part, based on your desire to make all of this political.

Trump knew there is a double standard that would be used against him

What double standard? You say this stuff and provide no evidence to back it up.