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Serena Williams loses US Open

AC2017 said:
... and blames "sexism" on her loss.

Am I missing something here? Did she not play against another female?

She needs to go back and brush up on proper excuses in her liberal scapegoat handbook.
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She never blamed her loss on “sexism.” She was ruled to be responsible for three violations. First the chair umpire accused her of getting coaching. She vehemently denied it, said she’d rather lose than cheat. (On that point I believe her. She’s so good she doesn’t need to cheat, never has.) Got into a shouting match with the chair demanding he apologize for the accusation. He gave a point to her opponent for her verbal abuse of the chair which set her off, claiming men have been far worse in their actions toward the chair and have not been punished. (Again she is correct). Then she smashed her racket when she blew a point and the third violation caused her a game. Her words at her post-match press conference never claimed that’s why she lost. They centered totally on the different way men have been treated than women. You are accusing her of something for which she is innocent.
 
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Ponca Dan said:
She never blamed her loss on “sexism.” She was ruled to be responsible for three violations. First the chair umpire accused her of getting coaching. She vehemently denied it, said she’d rather lose than cheat. (On that point I believe her. She’s so good she doesn’t need to cheat, never has.) Got into a shouting match with the chair demanding he apologize for the accusation. He gave a point to her opponent for her verbal abuse of the chair which set her off, claiming men have been far worse in their actions toward the chair and have not been punished. (Again she is correct). Then she smashed her racket when she blew a point and the third violation caused her a game. Her words at her post-match press conference never claimed that’s why she lost. They centered totally on the different way men have been treated than women. You are accusing her of something for which she is innocent.
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Thank you.
 
Ostatedchi said:
Serena was totally in the wrong and ruined the great moment for her opponent. She got caught with 3 legitimate code violations and got the assigned punishment. period
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I completely agree that Serena was in the wrong, and her tantrum ruined her opponent’s most crowning achievement. For that she should be ashamed. But at no point did Serena blame her loss on sexism, which was the point of the OP. Serena’s argument was they applied the rules to her when they do not apply the rules to men who exhibit even worse behavior. Which is absolutely true. And, yes, her coach said he was coaching from the grandstands, and he pointed out that every coach does that. Serena wasn’t even looking at her coach when the rules violation was called which is part of the reason she was so upset.
 
Ponca Dan said:
She never blamed her loss on “sexism.” She was ruled to be responsible for three violations. First the chair umpire accused her of getting coaching. She vehemently denied it, said she’d rather lose than cheat. (On that point I believe her. She’s so good she doesn’t need to cheat, never has.) Got into a shouting match with the chair demanding he apologize for the accusation. He gave a point to her opponent for her verbal abuse of the chair which set her off, claiming men have been far worse in their actions toward the chair and have not been punished. (Again she is correct). Then she smashed her racket when she blew a point and the third violation caused her a game. Her words at her post-match press conference never claimed that’s why she lost. They centered totally on the different way men have been treated than women. You are accusing her of something for which she is innocent.
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She was without a doubt "coached". Her coach even admitted it. He made a signal for her to go to the net and she repeatedly did after that. Her coach said everybody does it which is 100% correct. She was also 100% correct when she said men have done far worse without any penalty. There was a lot wrong on both sides of this issue. I really felt sorry for Osaka. She was caught in the middle of a huge mess. She outplayed Serena before and after the incident and deserved to win. She did not try to blame her loss on the Umpire. She was very gracious after the match as she always is.
 
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Ponca Dan said:
I completely agree that Serena was in the wrong, and her tantrum ruined her opponent’s most crowning achievement. For that she should be ashamed. But at no point did Serena blame her loss on sexism, which was the point of the OP. Serena’s argument was they applied the rules to her when they do not apply the rules to men who exhibit even worse behavior. Which is absolutely true. And, yes, her coach said he was coaching from the grandstands, and he pointed out that every coach does that. Serena wasn’t even looking at her coach when the rules violation was called which is part of the reason she was so upset.
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That sounds like a sexism accusation to me, even if she didn’t use the word.
 
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NeekReevers said:
That sounds like a sexism accusation to me, even if she didn’t use the word.
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The point is she didn’t blame her loss on sexism. She explained that sexism was the reason she blew up the way she did and made a bit of an ass out of herself. She never even hinted that sexism caused her to lose.
 
At the end of the day, when it's the end of the day, and we all know it's the end of the day, who gives a f'k; the bitch was going to lose anyway - just another "straw man" diversion.
 
Ostatedchi said:
Serena was totally in the wrong and ruined the great moment for her opponent. She got caught with 3 legitimate code violations and got the assigned punishment. period
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Ponca Dan said:
I completely agree that Serena was in the wrong, and her tantrum ruined her opponent’s most crowning achievement. For that she should be ashamed. But at no point did Serena blame her loss on sexism, which was the point of the OP. Serena’s argument was they applied the rules to her when they do not apply the rules to men who exhibit even worse behavior. Which is absolutely true. And, yes, her coach said he was coaching from the grandstands, and he pointed out that every coach does that. Serena wasn’t even looking at her coach when the rules violation was called which is part of the reason she was so upset.
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Isnt that what Ostatedchi said?
 
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1) I don’t think Serena was actively getting coaching. I don’t remotely think she would cheat.
2) Her comparing to the men’s game was just an excuse. Chris Evert had the best response to that. Ms. Evert said that men do speak louder and worse during matches, but they do not do that after the second warning. And when they do they absolutely get a point taken.
3) Her comments about “fighting for women’s rights” and that she would tell her daughter that she did it because “she stood up for women’s rights” is ridiculous. She was fighting for rights to argue??
4) Sexist: in the press conference, Serena absolutely did say when the umpire told her he was taking a game from her that she felt “it was a sexist remark”
 
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cableok said:
1) I don’t think Serena was actively getting coaching. I don’t remotely think she would cheat.
2) Her comparing to the men’s game was just an excuse. Chris Evert had the best response to that. Ms. Evert said that men do speak louder and worse during matches, but they do not do that after the second warning. And when they do they absolutely get a point taken.
3) Her comments about “fighting for women’s rights” and that she would tell her daughter that she did it because “she stood up for women’s rights” is ridiculous. She was fighting for rights to argue??
4) Sexist: in the press conference, Serena absolutely did say when the umpire told her he was taking a game from her that she felt “it was a sexist remark”
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I agree with EVERY word you said. All I’m pointing out, indeed all I ever pointed out, was that she never blamed her loss on sexism, which was the point being made in the original post. She got whipped. She knew she got whipped. She knew she was getting whipped during the match, which was frustrating the hell out of her. And then the umpire pulled his stunt which added to the frustration and led to her outrageous behavior. But she AT NO POINT claimed she lost because of sexism. I don’t think I can make my point any clearer.
 
Ostatedchi said:
You call it a stunt by the umpire. I call it enforcing the rules.
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Yes, he was enforcing the rule. He very selectively enforced the rule. Osaka’s coach was “coaching” just as much. They ALL coach from the stands. When the umpire enforced the rule Serena wasn’t even looking at her coach. The umpire chose to enforce a rule in one of the most important matches in the sport against the GOAT in a match she was certain to lose at the most frustrating point in the match for her. Then he decided to involve himself. He pulled a stunt.
 
I don’t watch tennis much, but I’ve never seen a coach not shout out something or make a coaching gesture to their player.

If there’s a rule against that, it’s not enforced well and/or enforced selectively, as in this case.
 
Was Serena Williams hacked by the Russians? Maybe possessed by Bob Stoops and OU fans? I just watched the clip of the whole thing. I don't know anything about tennis or the "coaching" rule, but holy shit move on. It was a warning. The rest is all on her.
 
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Medic007 said:
Was Serena Williams hacked by the Russians? Maybe possessed by Bob Stoops and OU fans? I just watched the clip of the whole thing. I don't know anything about tennis or the "coaching" rule, but holy shit move on. It was a warning. The rest is all on her.
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You can’t selectively enforce a rule. She had a point, but was a bit over the top making it.
 
Ostatedchi said:
From the article you just posted. "Bajin (Osaka's coach) said he had not been coaching during the final, and praised Osaka's performance."
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And you believe that lol...I said use logic and reasoning and you come back with that haha

This is quite entertaining lol


Please carry on
 
CSCOTTOSUPOKES said:
I mean, other than wholly historical evidence otherwise, sure I guess lol. Looks suspiciously like goalpost moving here...
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No goalpost moving from me at all. I asked for proof that Osaka's coach was coaching her during the match as was claimed. so far, zilch.
 
Ostatedchi said:
No goalpost moving from me at all. I asked for proof that Osaka's coach was coaching her during the match as was claimed. so far, zilch.
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I have no proof. If her coach said he was not coaching from the sidelines I'm sure he is an honorable human being and was not lying. If that's the case Osaka should fire him on the spot because it is well established that coaches give instructions from the sidelines in contravention of the rule. If Osaka's coach was not doing so he was putting Osaka at a distinct disadvantage. (Not that she needed any coaching; she was kicking Serena's butt all over the court.)

I'm not sure what the dispute is between you and me. I have agreed with everything you have posted, but apparently you are looking for something else. Serena acted like a spoiled brat who is used to getting her way. She should be ashamed of her actions. She was in the wrong from beginning to end. That does not alter the fact that she never accused the chair of causing her loss. She never said sexism caused her loss That has been my point from the beginning. And it remains my point because it is true.
 
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I stopped reading after this. Don't make accusations with no proof. It's a BS tactic. The rest of your contention is moot after this point.
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Do have proof Osaka’s coach wasn’t coaching?

You shouldn’t make accusations without proof. It’s a BS tactic.
 
Ponca Dan said:
I have no proof. If her coach said he was not coaching from the sidelines I'm sure he is an honorable human being and was not lying. If that's the case Osaka should fire him on the spot because it is well established that coaches give instructions from the sidelines in contravention of the rule. If Osaka's coach was not doing so he was putting Osaka at a distinct disadvantage. (Not that she needed any coaching; she was kicking Serena's butt all over the court.)

I'm not sure what the dispute is between you and me. I have agreed with everything you have posted, but apparently you are looking for something else. Serena acted like a spoiled brat who is used to getting her way. She should be ashamed of her actions. She was in the wrong from beginning to end. That does not alter the fact that she never accused the chair of causing her loss. She never said sexism caused her loss That has been my point from the beginning. And it remains my point because it is true.
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You also called the umpire's call a 'stunt' because Osaka's coach was also coaching from the stands. I say that's crap.
 
CSCOTTOSUPOKES said:
Do have proof Osaka’s coach wasn’t coaching?

You shouldn’t make accusations without proof. It’s a BS tactic.
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I'm not making any claim. PoncaDan did. It is up to him to prove it -not me to disprove something I'm not claiming. Logic isn't your friend. Either that or you don't understand the definition of the word proof.
 
Ostatedchi said:
I'm not making any claim. PoncaDan did. It is up to him to prove it -not me to disprove something I'm not claiming. Logic isn't your friend. Either that or you don't understand the definition of the word proof.
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You’re blindly taking Osaka’s coach at his word that he didn’t coach lol. You understand how stupid that sounds, given all the historical evidence surrounding the game?

I mean, at what point do you start to back away from this BS?
 
CSCOTTOSUPOKES said:
You’re blindly taking Osaka’s coach at his word that he didn’t coach lol. You understand how stupid that sounds, given all the historical evidence surrounding the game?

I mean, at what point do you start to back away from this BS?
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I'll back away from the claim that Osaka's coach was coaching from the stands during her match with Serena just as soon as someone shows proof of it actually happening. Until then, the claim is baseless. You see, I'm not claiming Osaka's coach wasn't coaching from the stands in this match. If you can't see the difference then you should just bow out of this thread.

Any other historical or statistical argument is irrelevant since the claim isn't that he was coaching her in the past. The claim is that he was coaching her in this specific match. I say great - show proof. Otherwise it is a BS accusation. You are using deductive reasoning for an inductive conclusion.
 
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I'll back away from the claim that Osaka's coach was coaching from the stands during her match with Serena just as soon as someone shows proof of it actually happening. Until then, the claim is baseless. You see, I'm not claiming Osaka's coach wasn't coaching from the stands in this match. If you can't see the difference then you should just bow out of this thread.

Any other historical or statistical argument is irrelevant since the claim isn't that he was coaching her in the past. The claim is that he was coaching her in this specific match. I say great - show proof. Otherwise it is a BS accusation. You are using deductive reasoning for an inductive conclusion.
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Word salad defenses...another tell lol
 
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You also called the umpire's call a 'stunt' because Osaka's coach was also coaching from the stands. I say that's crap.
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Check your reading comprehension. I did not say the umpire pulled a stunt because Osaka's coach was also coaching. I call it a stunt because it was unnecessary for him to intervene in the most important match of the most important event in tennis against the GOAT at a time it was obvious she was going to lose. He docked her a point because she "abused" the chair. He followed the rule, a rule that men ignore on a regular basis. Especially since all she was doing was insisting he apologize. It was childish, petulant and stupid on her part. Her emotions got the best of her. She had thought this match would reestablish that she was "back." It wasn't going to happen. She was not going to win, and she knew she was not going to win. Then he decided to pull his stunt. It was not necessary. It's analogous to an OSU/OU football game when an OSU lineman gets called for holding after a successful play, when everybody knows every lineman holds on every play. Linemen on both teams hold on every play. Yet an official decides to throw the flag at a crucial time. But, of course, he was enforcing the rule. Very selectively enforcing the rule. Let me repeat for the umpteenth time: Serena was wrong to react the way she did. Serena was in the wrong. Serena was wrong. I AGREE with you that Serena was wrong. Yet not once after the match did she blame sexism for losing. She treated Osaka with respect and dignity at the trophy presentation. She lost her cool against an umpire that decided to interject himself in the match.
 
Ponca Dan said:
Check your reading comprehension. I did not say the umpire pulled a stunt because Osaka's coach was also coaching. I call it a stunt because it was unnecessary for him to intervene in the most important match of the most important event in tennis against the GOAT at a time it was obvious she was going to lose. He docked her a point because she "abused" the chair. He followed the rule, a rule that men ignore on a regular basis. Especially since all she was doing was insisting he apologize. It was childish, petulant and stupid on her part. Her emotions got the best of her. She had thought this match would reestablish that she was "back." It wasn't going to happen. She was not going to win, and she knew she was not going to win. Then he decided to pull his stunt. It was not necessary. It's analogous to an OSU/OU football game when an OSU lineman gets called for holding after a successful play, when everybody knows every lineman holds on every play. Linemen on both teams hold on every play. Yet an official decides to throw the flag at a crucial time. But, of course, he was enforcing the rule. Very selectively enforcing the rule. Let me repeat for the umpteenth time: Serena was wrong to react the way she did. Serena was in the wrong. Serena was wrong. I AGREE with you that Serena was wrong. Yet not once after the match did she blame sexism for losing. She treated Osaka with respect and dignity at the trophy presentation. She lost her cool against an umpire that decided to interject himself in the match.
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You very much included the fact that Osaka's coach was also coaching in the match as evidence of the 'stunt'. (emphasis added)
Ponca Dan said:
Yes, he was enforcing the rule. He very selectively enforced the rule. Osaka’s coach was “coaching” just as much. They ALL coach from the stands. When the umpire enforced the rule Serena wasn’t even looking at her coach. The umpire chose to enforce a rule in one of the most important matches in the sport against the GOAT in a match she was certain to lose at the most frustrating point in the match for her. Then he decided to involve himself. He pulled a stunt.
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Clearly you were stating that it was a stunt because the umpire injected himself into the match when it wasn't warranted because both sides were coaching. I say that's BS without proof.
 
Ponca Dan said:
Yet not once after the match did she blame sexism for losing.
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I've never claimed she did either. I'm just calling BS on your statement that Osaka's coach was just as guilty. Sans proof, it shouldn't be part of your argument to bolster your stance.
 
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