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Dan does sometimes seem to think we live in a utopian world
LMAO. You ever stop to think what positives might come from these proposed tariffs? Of course not only what you can use to criticize Trump.Donald Trump’s latest policy proposal is batshit insane
Sorry, but there’s no polite way to put it.www.based-politics.com
What positives do the American consumers get when they're taxed another 10% for the products they buy? What is the positive for the half million people who will lose their jobs because of this policy? "The more ... you attack Trump the more support he gets. That should tell you something." What it tells me, in this instance at least, is there are people so blinded by loyalty to the man they support him no matter how idiotic is a policy he proposes. And as the author of the article says: this proposal is batshit insane. Maybe just once those who are loyal to Trump the very end ought to stop and assess some of the things for which he advocates and tell him to hit the brakes. He isn't an infallible deity, he's a man with some pretty stupid ideas on occasion.
China is on the verge of economic collapse. There is much more to worry about than China invading Taiwan. But I suppose trade would be nonexistent since Biden has already said he'd send troops into the fray.
That's about as close to a non-answer as you could come up with. Real life politics is full of insurmountable screw-ups. This would be a huge one. But that's okay, if Trump wants it you need drop to your knees and kiss his ... ring.
What happens when foreign goods become more expensive or of equal costs to American produced goods? What happens when the trade deficit is no longer a deficit or greatly reduced? What happens to jobs when it's cheaper or of equal cost to manufacture goods in the US instead of overseas? What happens to the middleclass when jobs are plentiful? What happens to taxes and the national debt when the US produces it's own goods? What happens to China's economy if they are no longer the manufacturing center of US goods? It's not good when we are sending hundreds of billions of dollars to other countries, many of whom are adversaries, to produce goods we can and should produce here in this country. Sorry but you will never convince me running hundreds of billions of dollars in trade deficit is in anyway good for this country.
Tell me you read the links I posted on this thread, or even one of them, or even part of one of them,
I don't need to read your links, tens of billions of dollars in trade deficit is not good for this country no matter how you want to look at it.
I didn't think you had read either of the links, or any portion of either one of them. Let me ask you again: what is it about the "trade deficit" that frightens you so much you want to tax American consumers 10% as punishment? Who is getting punished? What is a trade deficit?
I'm unaware of a huge growth in manufacturing in America caused by tariffs. I don't know if you are saying China is suffering because Trump implemented tariffs, but if you are I believe you are sorely mistaken. It wasn't that long ago many on this board were lamenting that China was cleaning our clock and America needed to implement the Chinese model if we want our economy to grow. I remember saying that a command economy cannot match a free market, that a command economy works until it quits working, and when it quits woking it comes fast and hard. Chinese command policies are at the point of implosion, but it has nothing to do with anything Trump did, and everything to do with the way they try to oversee their economy through government dictate. Trump mitigated nothing. Neither I nor the authors are blinded by personal animosity toward Trump, although it is obvious that is what Trump loyalists are going to see if someone criticizes *anything* to do about the man. Actually it is you who is blinded by supreme loyalty to the point you'll defend anything he promotes no matter how harmful it is to us.
No I didn't read your links, I don't need your propaganda. What you don't seem to understand is our trade deficit has created our number one adversary in the world. We keep sending billions of dollars of our wealth to China which in turn they use to build their military and work against our interests around the world. It amazes me how a supposed pacifist like yourself can not see how our trade deficit works against your desires for peace. I will add in, what is less expensive a war, whether cold or hot with China or tariffs that will lead to the US becoming self reliant?
That's hitting the nail on the head! Trump wouldn't know about free trade if he had a tutor to explain it to him. He's too convinced we need authoritarian governmental intervention - with him being the authority, of course - so we can make our economy in the image of China's. How else can we keep up? And by the way, I don't deny that I think Trump is a giant "doodie-head" but this is 100% about a bad policy he wants to implement, and the blind loyalty of his followers who don't care to examine how bad it is. If he's for it, you're for it.
There are a thousand factors that have made China the "adversary" you've believe they are, but tariffs are way down the list. This notion that the US should be "self-reliant" ignores economic law from start to finish. It is not possible for one country to be self reliant in the way you envision, and even if it were possible why would a country want to be when it can rely on the experise of other countries to supply it with products that would be too expensive for it to produce on its own (provided it could produce the products on its own). You are deeply mistaken in thinking that trade is counter to peaceful interaction, it's exactly the opposite.
Lol! @my_2cents is convinced I'm a rabid right-winger. Bearcat just called me a lefist, @Syskatine insists I'm a Russian agent, and now you're questioning whether I'm a secret Chinese agent! I'm either doing something wrong or somethng right!
Look, I agree that govermental agents will fight tooth and nail against free trade, it would hamper their global vision. But that means we should fight tooth and nail ourselves, because free trade is what makes for human progress. America has never been the "utopian free trade" country I would like it to be. But it started out pretty close and we went from one of the poorest countries in the world to the richest country in the history of the world. And we are on a downward slide because we have let our politicians assume authority to meddle with it. Trump is one in a long line of politicians that want to meddle.
He wants us to make our own products instead of the IP that is stolen and copied.But when it comes to understanding international trade and its benefits the man is as dumb as a rock.
Trump floats tariff plan that will make everything more expensive
Any other Republican would be laughed off the campaign trail for promising to raise taxes by 10 percent.
Look what just came out as if it is on cue:
unherd.com
All I want for Christmas is anything not made in China.
He was when he used troops to supress the Whiskey Rebellion. But I know where you're headed with this. After the revolution the US government funded itself almost entirely though tariffs.
How about something made in America using some Chinese made components? That will eliminate a lot of things you could have. You up for that?
Somewhere in this thread while writing you lumped me in by the phrase "you leftists." Don't worry about it, I have very thick skin. I thought it was kinda funny, I made a hat trick: right-wing nut, "you leftist(s)", Russian agent for not supporting the proxy war. And then I hit the jackpot when it was suggested I am also a Chinese secret agent. Since I am really a "utopian fruitcake anarchist" I suppose I can resemble all four of those things.
George Washington was a tariff man.
