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@CowboyJD

I voted against Hillary. You know that I waffled back and forth on whether to make a symbolic vote for Johnson or vote for the guy who could beat Hillary in the GE. Since I did vote for Trump, I feel like I have to own that vote somewhat and hope he's going to fulfill half of his grandiose promises. I'm genuinely curious to see if he can do it and the waters are so chummed up from planted and overblown bullshit that it's hard to tell where genuine concern even begins.

I genuinely think the guy can bring this economy back and will be good for small business owners like me who are caught in the middle on health insurance and simply have to make a choice whether to pay studio rent or health insurance, but not both. I like the fact that Rand Paul seems to be involved in repeal/replace and I want to see where this goes. I'm sorry, but I personally don't give a shit about his taxes. It's wholly unimportant to my daily life, but some of what he is trying to do IS. I'm glad that he appears to be against war with Russia over Syria (Syria!) and I'm glad that the potential exists to actually do something about a genuine nazi-esque atrocity (ISIS) going on right now, rather than turn a blind eye because of political intentions to overthrow Syria.

My concerns? Probably the same as yours. I am concerned about the implications of punishing businesses for outsourcing outside the country. I'm concerned about his potential naivety on foreign policy. I'm concerned that some of his appointments appear to be more Goldman Sachs people. I'm concerned that he will if anything, expand Obama's treasonous executive order mandates - just as I warned liberals on this board that someone they were afraid of would eventually do because the precedent has been set.

I'm not concerned that he's literally Hitler, a fascist, an islamaphobe or a racist. I'm concerned that he will continue to build on what W and O started - making the executive branch too powerful and out of balance.

I'm concerned that there is actual dirt on him - as one would expect from a 70 year old billionaire playboy. I couldn't run for office. I doubt half the people on this board could if they have lived interesting lives at all. Anything that exists on him can and will be used to undermine the office and/or leverage him to make corrupt policy decisions. Very concerned about that.

But I am also concerned that the unhinged 'opposition' is treating this presidency as an insurrection before the guy is even in office. That's unlike anything I've ever seen in my lifetime and I find it disgusting and yes - it reflexively causes me to poke, lampoon and irritate people who buy into these things and justify them.

Trump's mandate is razor thin. He doesn't enjoy the support of any establishment organization. He has a low approval rating. His only hope to not be impeached on some real or made up charge is to kick ass and do an amazing job of exceeding our expectations - primarily in regards to jobs, healthcare, national security/immigration (inextricably intertwined) and the economy. If he does these things, he'll be here for 8 years and set up KellyAnne or someone as the next MAGA candidate. If he doesn't, he'll be out before his term is up and will not be able to show his face in this country again. Is it giving him a pas to want to see if he can deliver on this? I really don't think it is. In spite of what a couple of guys on this board say about me, I would turn on him in an instant if he warrants it. And that begins on friday.
 
I'm also concerned that he will abridge the actual freedom of press - but the alphabet networks carry more than their own fair share of the blame in that. It's very frustrating that few people in that business or in leadership seem to take the responsibility for fairly holding power accountable seriously anymore.
 
Another concern… Draining the swamp is a huge deal for me. The single biggest thing that I like about Donald Trump is that the establishment hates him. I hate the establishment. I don't trust it and I think it's corrupt as hell. I'm thankful that somebody is at least saying they are going to drain the damn swamp. My concern however is what then fills up this one? If it's filled with freshwater and transparency that's great. If it's just filled up with more snakes and corruption then what if we accomplished? The law of unintended consequences is a concern for me here. Obviously no snakes in the swamp is what you want but if it's just filled up with new snakes that we don't know much about… Well obviously that's a concern too.

I don't trust the intelligence agencies and I find their timely revelations about Russia to be highly suspect. I hold the investigative agency's in higher regard. But to see people on the left and some libertarians trusting the CIA and it's politically appointed head over and investigative journalism organization with a 100% accuracy record lip is a little hard to swallow.

My concern of course is that they are right! And that Trump is unduly influence by Russia and is intellectually overmatched by Burton's but again the issue is so clouded by obvious ham-fisted politicization it's really hard to find where my contempt for the sheep yens and my natural skepticism of tromp can begin.

Sorry for typos. I'm driving and using the voice command option.
 
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Last thing. I'm not sure how many tens of thousands of pose I need to make on this board before it's obvious that I post to entertain myself. And I find it highly personally entertaining to give Sys and a few others a couple of solid wedgies every day.

If and when Trump actually begins to fail as an executive, there are trump fan boys on this board making excuses for him as others have for Obama guess who gets to wedgies then?

Right now the guy is not even sworn in. I held my nose and voted for him. And even if I didn't I would want the guy to succeed. There are people all over the country right now not only hoping he fails but actively trying to undermine the office because he is about to hold it. I find that dissed tasteful and un-American. I've seen a lot of bad presidents from both parties in my lifetime. Really I can only think of one who is even arguably a great president in my lifetime. The rest have been any Factive wimps or globalist pawns.

I'm not sure what Trump is but the die has been cast and I'm curious to see if the guy is worth a shit or not. If he's worth his awkward cringe worthy tweets or not. If he is the genius businessman who can save the economy and return America to greatness again. Aren't you curious? I am. So again a lot to think about and a lot to be concerned about. But his freaking tax returns is not one of those things to me nor is it to most people I would bet.

The guy is the definition of a wild card. I know that I hated the direction that Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton we're going to take us. Trump could be far worse to be quite honest. However he might be much better and I'm hoping for that. I just would like to see If he can do it or not. That doesn't mean he gets a pass from me
 
I think *hope* that you and I are misreading each other's replies. I don't consider you a crybaby, and I assume you don't think I am giving him a pass. 844 is hyperbole, which you damned well know.

How many "legitimate concerns" about Trump do you presently actually have then?

I know you don't think you consider me a crybaby. I do think reflexively responding "f*** you crybabies" if you presently have legitimate concerns that you aren't talking about is, in the end, giving him a pass.
 
How many "legitimate concerns" about Trump do you presently actually have then?

I know you don't think you consider me a crybaby. I do think reflexively responding "f*** you crybabies" if you presently have legitimate concerns that you aren't talking about is, in the end, giving him a pass.

Hopefully you are reading past that post
 
One nit picky point... Trump has no mandate. None. He has an electoral victory, nothing more.
He does from the folks who voted him into office. Plenty of us have become disenfranchised with fawning over the usual party political players and stepped outside of our comfort zone to give him our vote on the premise that he delivers results.

And of course I have to add, true he has an electoral victory and nothing more, but that's the only victory that counts when running for POTUS.
 
Damn @MegaPoke bringing the heat and speaking truth... Kudos for a well presented set of concerns.

One nit picky point... Trump has no mandate. None. He has an electoral victory, nothing more.

Here's why I think the term is arguable. It was a sizeable EC win. When compared to the margin of projected loss it's substantial. Take California out of the mix - where he spent no time or capital and it's a dominating win.

The real reason though is most of his base weren't Election Day decisions like me. They are hard core believers in MAGA as a movement. Those people sure as hell view it as a mandate and if he's successful, he will win over a bunch more.
 
We're not at war and Russian aggression is being met proactively.

Your turn. How has his foreign policy been a failure, outside of not appeasing a Russian tyrant?

* His foreign policy has provided 1.7B in cash to Iran, which by our own government is defined as a terror state, and is a direct enemy of our allies in the region (Israel, Jordan, KSA).

* We sat back and did nothing (no aid, no weapons, not even military advisors for training) for Ukraine as Russia annexed 20% of its country.

* Do I need to mention our interpretation of the JV team?

* How about our wonderful involvement in the overthrow of a non-ideal, but stable Libyan government, just so we could see it be replaced by an even more radical leadership through Arab Dawn (or Arab Spring, or whatever). I'd note that this action lead to the death of 4 American diplomats.

* Lets see if I get our Syria involvement right: We supported the Rebels who were fighting to overthrow Assad (who we don't like but is at least stable). We support them with weapons even though they are using ISIS forces as part of their rebel forces. Then we figure out that ISIS is worse, so we quit supporting the rebels militarily, and simply publicly condemn Assad's reign. Assad, then (supposedly) uses chemical warfare against these rebels, and we draw our little red line. Then they cross it and we go and hide in our corner until Jordan, Russia, and Syria (without US involvement) can negotiate a cease fire.

* Yemen is undergoing a bloody civil war, where our allies (Jordan and KSA) are supporting the legally and internationally recognized government, while we just paid 1.7B (in untraceable cash) to the team supporting the insurgents.

* Failing to support our ally (Israel) in the UN Security Council so they can be censured by their Arab counterparts.

* How about our interference in the last Israel election where our administration directly (financially) supported the opposition party to the in-power Netanyahu (sp?). (and we have the gall to complain about Russia.)

* We did nothing, not even a pidly sanction, to China for their continued expansion into the South China sea directly claiming territory that rightfully belongs to our allies.

* But hey, at least we got out of those Wars that Bush got us into. Oh wait...you mean we're still in Afghanistan and Iraq?

* I should note that he did improve our relations with 2 nearby countries: Cuba and Venezuela. Unfortunately, these are countries where communist dictators rule with an iron fist and its citizenry starves while the rulers live off the largess.

* And then there's the various treaties in which we negotiated positions that put as at a significant disadvantage to our trading partners (such as the Paris accord).
 
David I think underestimating the mandate is a critical mistake that continues to get made. All this stuff isn't happening in a vacuum. And polling data is, as we know, unreliable at best - purposely manipulative at worst.

People see what the anarchists are doing and it isn't going to take a lot of post innagural winning to see his numbers skyrocket. Which is great he is winning within Constitutional parameters. IF.

It's just such a low barrier to be substantively better than the Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama string of dogshit, it's really set up for the guy to crush it if he doesn't step on his own little dick too much.
 
...he has an electoral victory and nothing more, but that's the only victory that counts when running for POTUS.
Why then this childish need to assert a non fact - mandate my ass. That word has meaning- beating expectations is no mandate... What the hell has happened to this board????
 
* His foreign policy has provided 1.7B in cash to Iran, which by our own government is defined as a terror state, and is a direct enemy of our allies in the region (Israel, Jordan, KSA).
And a direct enemy of our actual enemies, ISIS and Al Queda. I love that you think that Obama is too mean to the KSA.

* We sat back and did nothing (no aid, no weapons, not even military advisors for training) for Ukraine as Russia annexed 20% of its country.
If you don't count the coup that put a pro EU/NATO government in charge of the 80% of Ukraine

* Yemen is undergoing a bloody civil war, where our allies (Jordan and KSA) are supporting the legally and internationally recognized government, while we just paid 1.7B (in untraceable cash) to the team supporting the insurgents.
LOL. The KSA is committing war crimes in Yemen with American weapons.

* Failing to support our ally (Israel) in the UN Security Council so they can be censured by their Arab counterparts.
Not censure!

* How about our interference in the last Israel election where our administration directly (financially) supported the opposition party to the in-power Netanyahu (sp?). (and we have the gall to complain about Russia.)
That was a smart move.

* We did nothing, not even a pidly sanction, to China for their continued expansion into the South China sea directly claiming territory that rightfully belongs to our allies.
You mean to tell me Obama didn't start a war with China over them building islands?

* But hey, at least we got out of those Wars that Bush got us into. Oh wait...you mean we're still in Afghanistan and Iraq?


* I should note that he did improve our relations with 2 nearby countries: Cuba and Venezuela. Unfortunately, these are countries where communist dictators rule with an iron fist and its citizenry starves while the rulers live off the largess.
Have you considered that an embargo might have something to do with the starving citizens? You just made that shit up about Venezuela. Do you know what largess means?

* And then there's the various treaties in which we negotiated positions that put as at a significant disadvantage to our trading partners (such as the Paris accord).
Prove it. You are just blabbing. Largess.
 
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Approval ratings are a factor of the media. Never before has a president-elect had such a deliberately hostile 4th estate align against him, and thus I would expect his approval will be the lowest ever. At least his approval rating is higher than the media's. And unfortunately its just as worthless.

Justin
 
The best part about all this is the title of the thread.

Harold, if he runs the country like his business can we expect to to file bankruptcy four times, stiff our vendors and double our GDP by counting blue sky?
 
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So wait, approval ratings no longer have meaning... damn this is a lot to digest.

So yea there was a whole bunch of polls from the media for like a year and a half and they were proven to be wrong like way wrong on a day in early november. I don't member the details but polls are now regarded as like stupid and stuff. Try to keep up gaw
 
The best part about all this is the title of the thread.

Harold, if he runs the country like his business can we expect to to file bankruptcy four times, stiff our vendors and double our GDP by counting blue sky?


You left out some of the good stuff. Honest mistake I'm sure.
 
My favorite was 57% of Americans think trump is mistreating the media. The media have an approval rating of about 9.2.
 
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