You don't think other coaches and/or their surrogates aren't using subtle messages against each other? "We aren't about winning at all cost. We are about fun." "We have a culture that's focused on education and wrestling. There is no room for partying." On and on.
I'm sure they do sell their programs but I'm not going to pretend I know what coaches say about each other. My comments are more about the online wrestling community deciding that "Iowa is a dying program that can't develop anybody and needs a complete reform". There's a plethora of evidence that Iowa generally kicks a lot of butt - arguably more than any other team not PSU. The same convos happen all the time across all kinds of sports fandom any time a team dares to not win a championship, so it's not like my little protest is going to move the needle on pie-in-the-sky critiques. Just pointing it out.
I think OSU will be very strong from 157-197. Teemer isn't a Hawk yet, and seems to be a slight lean against being one. So Fish. Hamiti is better than Arnold. Plott is better than Brands. Keck is even with Buchanan (if Buchanan shows up).
who is this Keck fella?
You think some dipshit named Nelson will beat Plott?
So I was bored this after at work and did a bit of digging into the past 10 years. It was pretty interesting. Here's the Top 10 by average team tournament finish.
| Team | Avg Points | StDev Points | Avg Place | StdDev Place |
| Penn State | 128.1 | 27.8 | 1.6 | 1.6 |
| Iowa | 86.6 | 17.6 | 3.3 | 1.3 |
| Ohio State | 80.8 | 29.6 | 5.0 | 3.9 |
| Michigan | 62.3 | 17.3 | 7.2 | 4.6 |
| Missouri | 62.6 | 13.6 | 7.3 | 3.1 |
| Oklahoma State | 70.6 | 29.1 | 7.6 | 5.8 |
| Virginia Tech | 55.0 | 12.4 | 8.6 | 3.0 |
| Nebraska | 53.0 | 7.9 | 9.0 | 1.9 |
| Minnesota | 49.7 | 25.1 | 11.4 | 6.1 |
| Lehigh | 31.1 | 9.9 | 17.6 | 6.1 |
Did I miss Keckeisen transferring to OSU?
Switch result of Cobe v Fish match. I like Fish here. 16-15 OSU.
if the NCAA doesn't act on that, then it's the OK Corral going forward. The have's will buy anyone and everyone whenever they feel like it. Many keep saying Brands is good people, but I don't see good people doing it this way. This is WAAAY over the line IMO.
Probably going to be Teague at 57 from what I've heard.
Talking about the Wild West and over the line — I heard Pearsall recently called Ayala to make a move to Stillwater
If true and not totally made up, Brands should definitely report that as Pearsall is a member of Oklahoma State's wrestling staff and that would be illegal.
You have to have clean hands to report violations.
In honor of his mentor, DT’s first move as HC is to recruit over his finalist with the champ that he stole from a small school for a bag.
Not if everyone has dirty hands and is reporting them.
I could see most of these as possibilities but you think Wyatt will only decision Ben? I see this as bonus points all day. I could see Iowa being a slight edge at the beginning of the season but getting closer as the season goes on. OSU will be better this year than they were last year. People have only last year to go off of, but I think each team member will improve significantly this year. Just my opinion. Go Pokes.
should have never left Wyoming.
🤯what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Live by the sword, die by the sword. You make your bed and you sleep in it. I could go on all day.
I'm confused as to what you're calling "Average Placement". To me it means the average of finishes so that would seem to be; all place values added up, divided by the number of years.
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I didn’t say I had a problem with it — my point is Iowa is not the only one trying to play this game. In Iowa’s defense, at least they don’t have coaches calling athletes
Iowa seems to be playing the game differently if you believe a fraction of the stuff that we all have seen this offseason. No idea what all is true but it’s been a lot to say the least.
How do you know how Tom recruits? From what you read on anonymous message boards?
Tom is good people. Don't forget it!
Tom Brands allows bad actors to surround himself. That makes him complicit in what they do. You and most Iowa fans are delusional to the fact that Brands is now following and not leading.
Tom is the Leader. Make no mistake about it.
Friends who baptize together, stay together (at least that’s the angle I choose to take)
You can’t have your pudding if you don’t eat your meat
