Reason(s) why Dems won't win in November
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Biggest challenge Dems have is that they don't have their own message. Until they figure that out, or the economy turns south, they'll have a hard time capturing the moderate, apolitical middle.
Pretty good opinion piece covering that thought...
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018...-and-it-could-spell-disaster-in-november.html
I agree with you on the gains part. I just think it gets smaller by the week. Lots of momentum with the economy.
Perhaps, if those Americans voting in November give him the credit for the positive economic news. His approval ratings remain low though and as I am sure you know, historically speaking, midterm elections aren't often kind to the party who holds the White House. Not to mention that a lot could still happen between now and November (the economy, Trump's scandals, etc.).
there are no scandals unless they try making some up...and he's winning every day. He's not doing a bunch of stupid shit to make the economy work...he know's what he's doing and knows what the results will be. Until he's wrong, it's just going to get better and better. He thrives on rejection.
"Indeed, a set of April 2018 Remington Research Group surveys of voters in Iowa’s 1st District, Wisconsin’s 3rd District and Minnesota’s 8th District found that solid majorities of more than 60 percent in each district who previously voted for President Obama and defected to Donald Trump continue to support the Republican president."
"The reason these voters see no incentive to return to the Democratic Party is because the leadership lacks a plan to effectively counter President Trump's initial success on economic revitalization by reducing taxes and cutting regulations. The stock market has made gains and unemployment has fallen below 4 percent for the first time since 2000."
"Further, average U.S. household income recently reached a 50-year high. And much to the Democrats’ chagrin, the latest CBS/YouGov poll finds that 68 percent of the public credits President Trump for their personal economic success."
This is a good concise summary of Trump's talking points.
However, setting the talking points aside, there are scandals and Trump's record is mixed at best (and that is being generous). Add to that his general unpopularity, the success Democrats have enjoyed so far in elections during Trump's term, Democratic enthusiasm to vote, and the historical nature of midterm elections all indicate a favorable election cycle for Democrats.
The DOJ and FBI scandals play. Also the Clinton server scandal will play. Probably the Clinton Foundation investigation too. Awans case will play as well.
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I agree. As part of his political strategy, Trump will attempt to talk about Clinton and/or Obama in order to fire up his base and get them out to vote.
And while such a strategy may indeed work some with his hardcore supporters, neither Clinton nor Obama are running for anything this cycle.
The strategy thingy works both ways.
Libs are fed a constant stream of bs too.
Or is that not how it works?
Libs are fed a constant stream of bs too.
Or is that not how it works?
Yes, both sides seek to fire up their base for an election. As I am sure you know, that is politics.
Rather it is bs, spin, half-truth, or the truth depends on the facts.
Yeah and one team then wins the election cycle.
And right now, based upon the reasons I listed above, I think the Democrats are in a better position to win this cycle than the Republicans.
I guess by "they" you mean the Democrats. The Democrats do have a message and they have been winning elections since Trump became President.
As you know, polling trend is working against Dems.
As you know, economy is lit.
As you know, Dems can't help but look like petulant children.
Here is a link that discusses part of it:
https://www.vox.com/2018/5/21/17376128/democrats-better-deal-democracy-midterm-2018
Of course, the message is broad to so it can be implemented locally. And depending on the Democratic candidate, different issues will be stressed. Just as with Republicans.
No, this is what partisan Republicans or conservatives hear and is part of the message they want to convey to each other.
Polling still shows gains for Democrats. Polling still shows Trump is unpopular and and his approval ratings are similar to past Presidents who suffered a tough midterm election.
The economy is doing well, but again, both sides spin and debate who should get credit for that. Trump definately should run on the economy (as should the Democrats too), but rather he (they) get or should get the credit by those voting in November is another question.
As you know, all trends are currently against dems. They'll most likely lose several of the seats gained in the special elections they recently won.
As you know, it was pretty much a done deal Trump was getting tsunami'd by HillDawg.
As you know, errrrrbody and their dog is aware your projections on this issue are horseshit. Can I get @JimmyBob 's dog to vouch for the accuracy of this? In between inappropriate rubbings of course.
I am not sure where you are getting your information, but this is simply not true. Polling shows that the Democratic base is very enthusiastic to come out and vote right now (similar to how the Republican base was in 2010) and Trump's unpopularity remains high. Numerous models have Democrats making gains. The debate right now is how strong the gains will be.
So is this meant to undercut your theory that the "trends are currently against dems" or was it directed at my thoughts?
Assuming the economy keeps roiling along, which laughably some of the press will give the ex-rodent in chief credit for, and the Russia deals keeps washing onshore then back out to sea, back to shore back out to the sea, people keep seeing more money in their pockets and better pay to either stay where they are or move on Trump will retain majorities.
As has been said so often "its the economy stupid." Trump seems to have found some parameters with his tweets (good news), he is a major player on the national stage (especially if he solves/makes huge headway with Kim jung Staypuff and meets with Putin just don't see how he will be the catalyst for the disaster that was predicted less than 3 months ago.
They need to capitalize on the unemployment numbers for minorities with some concrete plans to establish real programs to elevate all boats, again the liberal press ex-rodent in chief butt sniffers will try to degrade any credit here but the reality is (and using the same numbers as before which are suspect) so many of the charges leveled against this guy previously are coming home to roost for the accusers.
Its summer now, so the news cycle basically gets ignored, then you have the opening of the greatest season known to man....football, which continues to dilute the news cycle. By September most people have already made their mind up who they will be voting for and save some disastrous event, Trump will be fine and as I said above, will retain majorities in both chambers.
As has been said so often "its the economy stupid." Trump seems to have found some parameters with his tweets (good news), he is a major player on the national stage (especially if he solves/makes huge headway with Kim jung Staypuff and meets with Putin just don't see how he will be the catalyst for the disaster that was predicted less than 3 months ago.
They need to capitalize on the unemployment numbers for minorities with some concrete plans to establish real programs to elevate all boats, again the liberal press ex-rodent in chief butt sniffers will try to degrade any credit here but the reality is (and using the same numbers as before which are suspect) so many of the charges leveled against this guy previously are coming home to roost for the accusers.
Its summer now, so the news cycle basically gets ignored, then you have the opening of the greatest season known to man....football, which continues to dilute the news cycle. By September most people have already made their mind up who they will be voting for and save some disastrous event, Trump will be fine and as I said above, will retain majorities in both chambers.
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You had me up to this comment. In what possible way can Democrats take credit for the improving economy? They have resisted every single move the Republicans have made, and the economy has roared to life in spite of their actions. Nancy P. has made a fool of herself, and she is the voice of the opposition.
No, that's the tone of the 'opposition' from the top down. You all sound like Maxine Waters.
How do you know Sys?
The economy didn't just come to life under Trump. The economy has been improving for years and the improvement started under Obama. Trump inherited a growing and improving economy. And yes, to date, the economy is still growing. Many claim that Obama deserves the credit for the growth. Others claim Trump deserves some of the credit for the continued growth. That is politics.
btw, the economy still isn't working for all Americans. There are also trouble signs on the horizon. Rather the Democrats or Republicans can make that part of their message as well is still yet to be seen.
