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Been Jammin

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Not trolling. Just asking a question.

I keep seeing comments from Donnie about how sad it is that Manafort has been found guilty of felonies and about how this whole thing is a "witch hunt", etc.

Why is he not distancing himself from Manafort and saying something along the line of "If he is guilty of financial crimes, then he should be punished accordingly". Or, just distance himself and say "no comment, his crimes don't involve me".

To me, it seems a bit weird that Donnie acts like the crimes Manafort committed are not a big deal. He is more concerned with how the crimes were discovered, and how a "good man" is getting a raw deal.
 
Not trolling. Just asking a question.

I keep seeing comments from Donnie about how sad it is that Manafort has been found guilty of felonies and about how this whole thing is a "witch hunt", etc.

Why is he not distancing himself from Manafort and saying something along the line of "If he is guilty of financial crimes, then he should be punished accordingly". Or, just distance himself and say "no comment, his crimes don't involve me".

To me, it seems a bit weird that Donnie acts like the crimes Manafort committed are not a big deal. He is more concerned with how the crimes were discovered, and how a "good man" is getting a raw deal.
Because Trump says dumb things. Some to troll the left, some just not advised.
 
Why is he not distancing himself from Manafort and saying something along the line of "If he is guilty of financial crimes, then he should be punished accordingly". Or, just distance himself and say "no comment, his crimes don't involve me".
Because he's a narcissistic dumbass. Don't tell me you didn't already know this answer. I'm gonna be disappointed.
 
Because he's a narcissistic dumbass. Don't tell me you didn't already know this answer. I'm gonna be disappointed.

Well, I just haven’t seen anyone bring it up. Your answer is probably partly right. I wonder if maybe part of it is that Manafort”s transgressions are not a big deal to him, because extremely wealthy people do that kind of shit all the time and don’t get caught.
 
Well, I just haven’t seen anyone bring it up. Your answer is probably partly right. I wonder if maybe part of it is that Manafort”s transgressions are not a big deal to him, because extremely wealthy people do that kind of shit all the time and don’t get caught.
I wonder what the odds were of him being caught if he hadn't worked for Trump for 3 months. (Not dismissing what he did)
 
I wonder what the odds were of him being caught if he hadn't worked for Trump for 3 months. (Not dismissing what he did)

That is my point. Trump seems to think that Manafort is a victim of bad luck, and it is tragic. Even if he feels that way, it doesn’t seem like he should be focusing on that part of the story.
 
Well, I just haven’t seen anyone bring it up. Your answer is probably partly right. I wonder if maybe part of it is that Manafort”s transgressions are not a big deal to him, because extremely wealthy people do that kind of shit all the time and don’t get caught.
Welcome to the narcissistic dumbass that is Trump. I actually don't think he realizes that no matter what he says, he still looks bad, even to some hardcore supporters. He should just STFU, but we all know that won't happen because he isn't wired to just STFU.
 
That is my point. Trump seems to think that Manafort is a victim of bad luck, and it is tragic. Even if he feels that way, it doesn’t seem like he should be focusing on that part of the story.
I was just responding to the part in your second post about rich people getting away with this all the time. I don't think anyone knows what Trump is thinking.
 
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I wonder what the odds were of him being caught if he hadn't worked for Trump for 3 months. (Not dismissing what he did)

Chairman of Donald Trump's 2016 campaign
In February 2016, Manafort approached Donald Trump through a mutual friend, Thomas J. Barrack Jr. He pointed out his experience advising presidential campaigns in the United States and around the world, described himself as an outsider not connected to the Washington establishment, and offered to work without salary.[34] In March 2016, he joined Trump's presidential campaign to take the lead in getting commitments from convention delegates.[35] On June 20, 2016, Trump fired campaign manager Corey Lewandowski and promoted Manafort to the position. Manafort gained control of the daily operations of the campaign as well as an expanded $20 million budget, hiring decisions, advertising, and media strategy.[36][37][38] Like most hires in the Trump campaign, Manafort was not vetted.[27]

On June 9, 2016, Manafort, Donald Trump Jr., and Jared Kushner were participants in a meeting with Russian attorney Natalia Veselnitskaya and several others at Trump Tower. A British music agent, saying he was acting on behalf of Emin Agalarov and the Russian government, had told Trump Jr. that he could obtain damaging information on Hillary Clinton if he met with a lawyer connected to the Kremlin.[39] At first, Trump Jr. said the meeting had been primarily about the Russian ban on international adoptions (in response to the Magnitsky Act) and mentioned nothing about Mrs. Clinton; he later said the offer of information about Clinton had been a pretext to conceal Veselnitskaya's real agenda.[40]

In August 2016, Manafort's connections to former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovychand his pro-Russian Party of Regions drew national attention in the US, where it was reported that Manafort may have received $12.7 million in off-the-books funds from the Party of Regions.[41]

On August 17, 2016, Donald Trump received his first security briefing.[42] The same day, August 17, Trump shook up his campaign organization in a way that appeared to minimize Manafort's role. It was reported that members of Trump's family, particularly Jared Kushner who had originally been a strong backer of Manafort, had become uneasy about his Russian connections and suspected that he had not been forthright about them.[43] Manafort stated in an internal staff memorandum that he would "remain the campaign chairman and chief strategist, providing the big-picture, long-range campaign vision".[44] However, two days later, Trump announced his acceptance of Manafort's resignation from the campaign after Steve Bannon and Kellyanne Conway took on senior leadership roles within that campaign.[45][46]

Upon Manafort's resignation as campaign chairman, Newt Gingrich stated, "nobody should underestimate how much Paul Manafort did to really help get this campaign to where it is right now."[47] Gingrich later added that, for the Trump administration, "It makes perfect sense for them to distance themselves from somebody who apparently didn't tell them what he was doing."[48]

Kurdish independence referendum
In mid-2017, Manafort left the United States in order to help organize the Kurdish independence referendum, something that surprised both investigators and the media.[49]Manafort returned to the United States just before both the start of the 2017 Iraqi–Kurdish conflict and his indictment.

Lobbying career
In 1980 Manafort was a founding partner of Washington, D.C.-based lobbying firm Black, Manafort & Stone, along with principals Charles R. Black Jr., and Roger J. Stone.[3][4][5][50]





Now...how long do you think they’ve REALLY known each other.
 
Chairman of Donald Trump's 2016 campaign
In February 2016, Manafort approached Donald Trump through a mutual friend, Thomas J. Barrack Jr. He pointed out his experience advising presidential campaigns in the United States and around the world, described himself as an outsider not connected to the Washington establishment, and offered to work without salary.[34] In March 2016, he joined Trump's presidential campaign to take the lead in getting commitments from convention delegates.[35] On June 20, 2016, Trump fired campaign manager Corey Lewandowski and promoted Manafort to the position. Manafort gained control of the daily operations of the campaign as well as an expanded $20 million budget, hiring decisions, advertising, and media strategy.[36][37][38] Like most hires in the Trump campaign, Manafort was not vetted.[27]

On June 9, 2016, Manafort, Donald Trump Jr., and Jared Kushner were participants in a meeting with Russian attorney Natalia Veselnitskaya and several others at Trump Tower. A British music agent, saying he was acting on behalf of Emin Agalarov and the Russian government, had told Trump Jr. that he could obtain damaging information on Hillary Clinton if he met with a lawyer connected to the Kremlin.[39] At first, Trump Jr. said the meeting had been primarily about the Russian ban on international adoptions (in response to the Magnitsky Act) and mentioned nothing about Mrs. Clinton; he later said the offer of information about Clinton had been a pretext to conceal Veselnitskaya's real agenda.[40]

In August 2016, Manafort's connections to former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovychand his pro-Russian Party of Regions drew national attention in the US, where it was reported that Manafort may have received $12.7 million in off-the-books funds from the Party of Regions.[41]

On August 17, 2016, Donald Trump received his first security briefing.[42] The same day, August 17, Trump shook up his campaign organization in a way that appeared to minimize Manafort's role. It was reported that members of Trump's family, particularly Jared Kushner who had originally been a strong backer of Manafort, had become uneasy about his Russian connections and suspected that he had not been forthright about them.[43] Manafort stated in an internal staff memorandum that he would "remain the campaign chairman and chief strategist, providing the big-picture, long-range campaign vision".[44] However, two days later, Trump announced his acceptance of Manafort's resignation from the campaign after Steve Bannon and Kellyanne Conway took on senior leadership roles within that campaign.[45][46]

Upon Manafort's resignation as campaign chairman, Newt Gingrich stated, "nobody should underestimate how much Paul Manafort did to really help get this campaign to where it is right now."[47] Gingrich later added that, for the Trump administration, "It makes perfect sense for them to distance themselves from somebody who apparently didn't tell them what he was doing."[48]

Kurdish independence referendum
In mid-2017, Manafort left the United States in order to help organize the Kurdish independence referendum, something that surprised both investigators and the media.[49]Manafort returned to the United States just before both the start of the 2017 Iraqi–Kurdish conflict and his indictment.

Lobbying career
In 1980 Manafort was a founding partner of Washington, D.C.-based lobbying firm Black, Manafort & Stone, along with principals Charles R. Black Jr., and Roger J. Stone.[3][4][5][50]





Now...how long do you think they’ve REALLY known each other.
Since February of 2016? Who cares. You thinking Hillary is squeaky clean is comical. It makes me want haha, lol and so on.
 
Since February of 2016? Who cares. You thinking Hillary is squeaky clean is comical. It makes me want haha, lol and so on.

You: Manafort only worked on campaign 3 months
Me: #Facts
You: Dismissal, Play Hillary Card, Passive-Aggressive Triggered
Me: #Winning
 
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Trump acts like a petulant child.

(Kind of like toontown.)

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You: Manafort only worked on campaign 3 months
Me: #Facts
You: Dismissal, Play Hillary Card, Passive-Aggressive Triggered
Me: #Winning
Ok. 9 months. Whatever.
You're like a grossly obese guy condemning another grossly obese guy for being grossly obese. Carry on.
 
This is a pretty simple paradigm.....
Trump is not HRC
Trump = conservative SCOTUS picks
Trump = less regulation & therefore a more robust economy
Trump = more stringent border control (that is the hope at least - results yet to be seen)
Trump = better treaty deals and or get out of the ones that have the US continually in the grab your ankles and bend over position.
Trump = rebuild and modernize the military
Trump = has really shown that the media leans left further than a sapling in a tornado

I'm not now or was before a giant Trump fan, that list can be added to am sure. I know he has an internal game plan with the twitter stuff, but it gets counterintuitive at times and downright damaging to the brand other times.

He has surrounded himself with some bums for dam sure, but in order to fully buy that mark you have to assume that all these guys/gals are telling the truth entirely and Trump is lying entirely. Truth is probably somewhere between. That Trump would lie, politician or not, is not that huge of a deal for me. In fact anyone on this board who has never lied fire away....if you have, well follow the path you think is least hypocritical.

I really look at Trump and his gang, especially when thousands have not been charged with a felony (or convicted) as a reminder of my first marriage. I didn't get married for it to fail, but fail it did and in spades....I found out things during the course of the long drop that had I know previously, well there wouldn't have been a marriage. So to find out someone is an underhanded rat bastard after the fact, well it happens.

For those not interested in such silly things as black and hispanic unemployment, your 401K's performing fabulously, a strong America through a strong military and a robust economy that didn't need a wand....well I'm sorry HRC didn't get elected.
 
Not trolling. Just asking a question.

I keep seeing comments from Donnie about how sad it is that Manafort has been found guilty of felonies and about how this whole thing is a "witch hunt", etc.

Why is he not distancing himself from Manafort and saying something along the line of "If he is guilty of financial crimes, then he should be punished accordingly". Or, just distance himself and say "no comment, his crimes don't involve me".

To me, it seems a bit weird that Donnie acts like the crimes Manafort committed are not a big deal. He is more concerned with how the crimes were discovered, and how a "good man" is getting a raw deal.

I pretty much take it like it is said- Trump probably does feel sad about Manafort getting caught up in this "wich hunt" and getting caught making some bad choices.

Maybe I just dont know enough about the case, has stuff been done that might make him really deserves 100 years? Or are they just putting the screws on him? JD will educate me I hope and inform me how you can start looking for one thing, not find it but did enough to find something that has never been discussed and they slam you with it. The search warrant has to be pretty exact in what they have to look for, right?

I would like to figure out why the black skinny guy with the big head on CNN or Willie Nelson or even the massive amounts of people that work in the IRS seem to mostly been given a pass.

I sure hope they dont ever take a close look at the 3 foreign bank accounts that my friend has that are not provided to the IRS. Oh, he just asked me to ask if a statute of limitations takes it out after so many years? If anyone knows please let me pass the info to him..










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