Dan, that'she hardly a substantive response. I asked a fair question, can you answer it instead of parodying the question?
Privatize The Schools
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Dan, that'she hardly a substantive response. I asked a fair question, can you answer it instead of parodying the question?
And the passive aggressive bullspit begins.
@syskatine, you didn’t say anything of the sort....maybe they would just, not do.....anything.
Careful though, he might start disliking you and put you on ignore too.
Then I’ll have to find a new spokesman to mess with him.
No, sys, I see no need to ignore you. I ignore JD for one simple reason. He once happily described himself as an arrogant asshole, a description with which I fully agree. I have never had much tolerance for assholery, and when arrogance is thrown in the mix I find it best to ignore it. If I bothered to read anything he wrote I would be tempted to turn into another of the many posters who simply insult one another. I do not find that to be a trait I want to cultivate in myself. I do not find you to be either arrogant or an asshole, just a person misguided in some of his thinking. So, no, I don’t see a need to ignore you.
Tempted to just insult others?
Buddy, you have been there.
@syskatine Notice he didn’t answer your question.
Passive aggressive techniques. Compliment you for not being me...hope you don’t press him for an answer.
Don’t let him get away with it.
Buddy, you have been there.
@syskatine Notice he didn’t answer your question.
Passive aggressive techniques. Compliment you for not being me...hope you don’t press him for an answer.
Don’t let him get away with it.
Sys, I answered your question right off the bat. It may have been an answer with which you disagree, but it was a serious answer.
Let’s start at the beginning. It is public knowledge, is it not, that the public schools are a mess, and are failing our children, and our society is showing the effects. That’s the point at which I would begin the
conversation. If all the movies and tv documentaries are accurate it would seem poor kids are on the receiving end of a school system that is stacked against them They attend school in substandard buildings with substandard teaching materials and many teachers who have simply given up.
The problem with public schools, as I see it, is by law it is one size fits all. Schools are designed around subjects that school teachers prefer. There is no innovation, no experimentation, no change. It is pure regimentation, drudgery for many kids, subjects in which they have little to no interest, and subjects they do not see will be of use to them when they get out into the “real world.” The schools my children attended in Ponca City were not different from the time I attended 30 years earlier.
One proposal for reforming the “school system” is to privatize the whole lot of it. A marketplace if schools would be no different than a marketplace in attorneys. There would be schools if every size and shape, with creativity and innovation in abundance. There is no reason to believe otherwise. It is absolutely in the nature of a free market to experiment, innovate, try new methods.
But, you ask, what about the poor kids? Who will look out for them? I believe poor kids would be better served by a private school system. Corporations, who are always in need of qualified, educated employees, would donate to various private schools in their communities. Churches would fulfill their mandate to serve the poor by opening schools or donating to same. Marxists who want to develop the next wave of socialusts would band together. Neighborhoods would coordinate to develop schools. Charitable organizations would have their own schools. A parent may take in two or three children and teach them from his or her home. There is no more reason to fear poor children won’t be schooled than there is to fear they won’t have shoes.
Finally, I find it odd that you express such concern for “poor students,” and yet regard struggling young people who can’t keep up with the time and expense of starting their own enterprise because of government harassment to be snowflakes. There is a disconnect there. Can you see it?
Yeah. Okay.
Well, okay, I'm listening.
Okay. All ears here...
What's stopping corporations from doing this now? There's plenty of brick and mortar and infrastructure and obvious opportunities for them to weigh in now. Doesn't seem very kind and generous. So the nature of all these corporations, charities and parents will finally blossom once we've disbanded the public schools? What are they waiting on? Has this approach worked somewhere?
There you go again. I am not characterizing them as snowflakes because I can't get the most basic information. They may be. They may not be, but the numbers matter, do they not? I didn't post a puff piece about the evils of regulation without specific numbers, you did. We don't know the numbers, how can we tell if they're realistic?
Whoa now, Dan. The board is full of assholes. Countless posters are assholes but don't admit it and you don't ignore them. I find it hard to believe you would ignore someone for intellectual honesty. He's one of the few posters that have confronted your ideas on here. Are you sure that you simply don't find it offensive to have your ideology effectively challenged?
Back to the point. Private schools and charities would educate the poor kids if they were given the chance. The reason they aren't stepping up now to rescue these kids is: __________________________________ _________________________________________________________?
You asked what is stopping companies from donating to schools now. Nothing is stopping them and they donate quite a bit. I am of the understanding you are an attorney in a small town in Oklahoma. Do you not support your local schools in any way? Surely the company that is the main industry in your town donates to your schools. Probably more than you can imagine. It's been 20 years since my kids have been in Ponca City's schools. But when they were in school the major industry (CONOCO) donated thousands and thousands of dollars and equipment to our school system every year. In addition smaller corporations pitched in. Local lawyers, doctors, insurance agencies, real estate companies, contractors - the list is very long - of companies and people that donated time, money and equipment to Ponca's school system. I would bet that is true in your town as well.
I remember watching a show a few years back about a super rich man in New York that visited a school filled with poor kids. Junior high age as I recall. He told them that any for kid that graduated from high school he would pay for their college. Years later he ponied up for several students that had taken him at his word. Things like that go on all the time. I suppose I have greater confidence in the generosity of our fellow man than you.
As regards the young aspiring entrepreneurs: you have honed in on the cost of all the certifications, registrations, regulations, and have decided they are snowflakes because they didn't want to pay the money, which you decided would be about $100. I don't know how much money they would have had to pay, but I'm quite sure it far exceeds $100. They both consulted with lawyers. I don't know how much you would have charged them, but I do know the lawyer I use in my business is $200/hour, or any portion of an hour, and many of my fellow businessmen tell me he is cheap compared to the ones they use. But to focus on the money is to miss the point entirely. The point is the government has insinuated itself into a situation it has no business being involved in. Those kids spent months dealing the local, county, state and federal bureaucrats, paid lawyers and other consultants, and finally threw in the towel. As the link in question pointed out, their inability to pursue their passion because of government interference is something that "is not seen."
I'll talk about JD one more time, and then I'm done talking about him. I know that JD fancies himself to be the smartest man on this board, and he works very hard to persuade the rest of you that is so. Frankly, I rarely see any overwhelmingly intellectual insight in his comments. JD likes to make arguments against other people by belittling and insulting. He calls someone a name and expects the rest of us to believe that because he said it, it must be true. I learned a great lesson about JD thanks to NZ. Some time back JD decided to call out NZ for being anti-Semitic. He threw that language at NZ in response to everything NZ posted. What I noticed is that NZ almost never responded to JD's blather. It actually became quite funny as JD became increasingly hysterical toward NZ, trying so hard to get NZ to respond, becoming increasingly frustrated until he finally announced he was putting him on ignore! I never knew whether NZ had put JD on ignore, and that's why he almost never responded to the insults, but it occurred to me that l could ignore him and still enjoy this board. I'm not asking anybody else to do what I did. I don't care what JD has to say, or what other people think of him. I'm content to go my way and let him go his. Now, I'm done with talking about JD. You think what you want. If you think I shrink away from his "undeniable intellectual power" you're wrong. But please feel free to think what you want.
And there you have it folks...Ponca Dan has publicly and officially adopted the NZ debate stratagem.
He just uses links to chosen screeds rather than memes and cut and pasted tweets.
Dimes to donuts he talks about me again in the future.
He just uses links to chosen screeds rather than memes and cut and pasted tweets.
Dimes to donuts he talks about me again in the future.
