People like this are completely unhinged from reality
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@syskatine are you far more frightened of the far right than islamic terrorism?
He is picking on a very easy target, but he does it very effectively.
Watching that was like watching someone club a helpless baby seal to death with an aluminum baseball bat.
Watching that was like watching someone club a helpless baby seal to death with an aluminum baseball bat.
Wasn't that the point? Show how ridiculous her and those who agree with her are? I mean, he did preface by calling her the dumbest liberal ever.
I guess, but the majority of what she said was pretty self evidently ridiculous to me. That's why I said she's a very easy target.
At some point, that point is made and it then becomes about something else...I'm not sure what.
It's about reaching the person on the margin between agreeing with the woman (or getting sympathetic to her views) and realizing that the woman may be misled.
Ultimately, due to the increased politicalization of...everything...the person on the margin is always the end target.
But it doesn't hurt if you gain a following and can make a little bank from it.
Makes sense, and I really hadn't thought about it that way.
I would still wonder whether the people on the margin you speak of would be going to Infowars or someplace where they would randomly see that video. I would also wonder whether the strident tone and response would be particularly effective to someone on that margin....probably because I'm not anywhere near that margin so I have no way of evaluating that.
Thanks for giving me a different perspective on it than the one I had.
Not in England.
In Oklahoma, the far right has quite the kill record. I think Messr's McVeigh and Nichols killed more Oklahomans than any muslim.
Two evil idiots over twenty years ago.
When was the last attack by a Muslim? Two days ago in Michigan? How many Islamic terror attacks since the OKC boming?
The point you keep trying to make is not even remotely close to being the same.
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Yeah, it's the same. The right wing stuff has continued pretty regularly. 11 jihadists and 21ish right wingers per this source. It's hard to count all the little blue dots right after 2008, when Obama got elected so it could be even more disparity. I don't know how extensive the list is, but it sure has a lot of right wing terrorist stuff listed, with the cited political motivation.
Deadly Attacks by Ideology and Year
VIOLENT AF
Weird that they've completely left off left wing and any references to the data they used...
TAKE A LOOK AT THIS INFOGRAPHIC.
https://apps.revealnews.org/homegrown-terror/
https://apps.revealnews.org/homegrown-terror/
I know we're all post-fact world now, and I haven't bowed down yet like your girl Omarosa predicted, but those are very specific and well made cites and statistics imo. You can respond with some dramatic opinion-bombs now,
Lol, did you just include jihadist with right wing. Besides, you can find other stats no problem.
TAKE A LOOK AT THIS INFOGRAPHIC.
https://apps.revealnews.org/homegrown-terror/
https://apps.revealnews.org/homegrown-terror/
I know we're all post-fact world now, and I haven't bowed down yet like your girl Omarosa predicted, but those are very specific and well made cites and statistics imo. You can respond with some dramatic opinion-bombs now,
So, the Tulsa incident was right wing. What was the Tulsa incident?
Yeah, gonna have to remain skeptical until I figure out what they are classifying as left, right, and Islamic. Definitely a slanted piece. That site includes graphics that don't reach their conclusions that they seem to attempt to refute with some lib speak. Gonna read it through when I have more time.
A bank robbery to buy guns or something. Its linked over the blue dot in the first one.
Im all about the stats. Did you have a source?
Oh, a bank robbery is right wing terrorism. Sounds legit.
"England and Watts engage in a shooting rampage, killing three people and injuring two, all of them black, apparently chosen randomly. Days before the spree, England used a slur on social media while posting about the two-year anniversary of his father's death, the result of a fight with an African American man. England and Watts both plead guilty to first-degree murder and hate crimes."
"Smith, angry at Muslims because of U.S. soldiers dying in wars overseas, allegedly firebombs a mosque. He is facing several charges, including damage to religious property and possession of a destructive device, when he is shot dead a year later by officers serving an arrest warrant."
"Taylor, who uses a wheelchair and is angry at the government, takes hostages at a post office to express his displeasure with the federal government. He surrenders after a nine-hour standoff. He pleads guilty to kidnapping and firearms charges."
So far I've found these "right wing" incidents on their map. Seems like quite the liberal application of "right wing" so far.
"Smith, angry at Muslims because of U.S. soldiers dying in wars overseas, allegedly firebombs a mosque. He is facing several charges, including damage to religious property and possession of a destructive device, when he is shot dead a year later by officers serving an arrest warrant."
"Taylor, who uses a wheelchair and is angry at the government, takes hostages at a post office to express his displeasure with the federal government. He surrenders after a nine-hour standoff. He pleads guilty to kidnapping and firearms charges."
So far I've found these "right wing" incidents on their map. Seems like quite the liberal application of "right wing" so far.
It looks like they have attributed all things sovereign citizen to "right wing." I'm not sure about that. Sovereign citizen types seem to have their own political ideology and a rejection of all things federal government. Through Google the only sites I'm finding that refer to SC as right wing are left wing sites. The non-political sites describe them on a spectrum of anarchists to lawless idiots but neither left or right in ideology. Is rejection of all things federal government a secret Republican platform?
"Gamache, a white supremacist, attacks a group of black and white people at a St. Louis mall with a pickax. He pleads guilty to unlawful use of a weapon and assault."
"Rice, a sovereign citizen adherent, engages police in an armed standoff after being indicted on federal charges, including money laundering. He's convicted of multiple counts of felony money laundering."
Pretty sketchy use of right wing, but they have nothing on these two lumped under a "right wing" tag...
"A car bombing aimed at a UCLA researcher destroys two vehicles. The group Students and Workers for the Liberation of UCLA Primates claims responsibility. No arrests are made."
"A UCLA researcher is firebombed; the following year, he receives a package of razors allegedly laden with HIV. A subgroup of the North American Animal Liberation Press Office claims responsibility. No arrests are made."
Going to have to call bullshit on those two being lumped under "right wing."
"Rice, a sovereign citizen adherent, engages police in an armed standoff after being indicted on federal charges, including money laundering. He's convicted of multiple counts of felony money laundering."
Pretty sketchy use of right wing, but they have nothing on these two lumped under a "right wing" tag...
"A car bombing aimed at a UCLA researcher destroys two vehicles. The group Students and Workers for the Liberation of UCLA Primates claims responsibility. No arrests are made."
"A UCLA researcher is firebombed; the following year, he receives a package of razors allegedly laden with HIV. A subgroup of the North American Animal Liberation Press Office claims responsibility. No arrests are made."
Going to have to call bullshit on those two being lumped under "right wing."
"Long, a sovereign citizen adherent influenced by black nationalist ideology and angry over the shooting of a black man by Baton Rouge police two weeks earlier, goes on a shooting rampage, killing three police officers and wounding three others before being killed."
Attributed to "right wing." Calling bullshit!
This is the data you're hanging your hat on syskatine?
Attributed to "right wing." Calling bullshit!
This is the data you're hanging your hat on syskatine?
Yes, if the proceeds are to buy weapons to kill people behind Waco.
In 2004 Wade Lay and his son Christopher Lay killed an armed guard while conducting an armed robbery. They were convicted in 2005. Wade Lay testified that the money was meant to buy weapons and according to the district attorney there was a 'self-proclaimed mission to revenge Waco.' Christopher Lay had made a list of individuals he deemed responsible for Waco.
Interesting. At cursory glance, our Daily Oklahoman didn't mention the political motivation. Huh.
Looks like the AP did:
Wade Lay, who is not an attorney but who is handling his own legal defense, testified Monday that the bank money was sought "to buy adequate weapons."
First Assistant District Attorney Doug Drummond said the father and son were "operating outside of reality" and had a "self-proclaimed mission to revenge Waco."
From the witness stand, Christopher Lay acknowledged Friday that he had compiled a list of people who he thought were responsible for the deaths of about 80 Branch Davidians, who died in 1993 in a fiery end to a 51-day standoff with law enforcement agents and federal officials in Waco, Texas.
That "hit list" had 15 names designated as the "enemy," Drummond said.
Wade Lay said that "we planned on holding the people who murdered those people accountable," because the government had not.
"Those men that killed these people at Waco didn't have to," he testified Monday.
Under cross-examination, he said, "I think they should die."
Wade Lay said it was "100 percent accurate" to say that he is willing to kill for his beliefs, but he said he hadn't wanted anyone to get hurt at the bank.
"I wanted to spark a revolution. That is the truth," he testified. "I've stood in the face of tyranny. I will continue to do so."
Just at face value of your post, it seems to be perfectly accurate. the article specifically says they include white supremacist and sovereign citizens as right wingers. Fine with me, it fits. I googled "England and Watts" and they pled guilty to targeting blacks and hate crimes. I'm comfortable that randomly killing innocent people because of their skin color is accurately described as terrorism. You would all impute a wide range of motivations onto "leftist" violence. Animal rights, antifa, environment, etc. Back out the racially motivated stuff if you want. It's still a very compelling list.
Total dingbat trying to say soverign citizens arent' right wingers.
It's exactly right wing. Right down the fairway. If the dude's name was Al Akhbar Muhammed and he was looking for whites you'd call it jihadist. He's a freaking "soveriegn citizen adherent"?!?!?
Oh, so buying weapons is the qualifier. The Scalise shooter with a Republican kill list is right wing. I mean he obviously bought a weapon. Thanks for clearing that up.
Graphic created by The Investigative Fund.
Which was put together by The Nation.
"America’s oldest weekly magazine, serving as a critical, independent voice in American journalism and a platform for investigative reporting and spirited debate on issues of import to the progressive community. "
Go to their website and you're greeted by a box:
"Organize. Resist. Subscribe."
Don't forget the motive of starting a revolution to avenge Waco. I'm so sick of lefties bitching about Waco.
It's amazing that the Daily Oklahoman whitewashes this stuff. If the guy had a muslim name it'd be a huge deal.
Nope. If you honestly believe that sovereign citizens are right wingers, we'll need to include all the white supremacist stuff as left wing since the KKK was actually a Democrat creation.
Dude, it doesn't matter how much you try to shuck and jive, your "data" is just partisan sycophant shit. The tail wags your dog.
Impossible to take you seriously in this thread.
Conspicuously absent from that site is the decapitation at Vaughn Foods in Moore in 2014.
They also didn't include Justin Bouma, the Muslim who sent a letter to his own mosque that contained a white powder (potassium perchlorate) that the letter claimed was anthrax in 2016.
Those are just two Islamic incidents in Oklahoma City off the top of my head. I wonder what else they have excluded.
syskatine, I think we're going down this road with your "facts"
syskatine, since you are going to include sovereign citizens as "right wing" for some unexplained reason, I'm going to include gangbangers as "left wing" since they most likely vote Democrat. With that in mind, I think "left wing" violence far surpasses "right wing," "Islamic," and any other form combined.
Chicago...
Chicago...
This is left wing violence in Baltimore from Aug 12, 2016 to Sept 12, 2016. One month of left wing violence. In one city.
Sys is not even a leftist. He's arguing in this thread because he thinks that's the side his team should take. He's a liberal democrat which is like a Yorkie taking the side of wolves.
It's been dawning on me lately that this board is mostly full of centrists making straw men out of each other. Not sure what active poster I would refer to as either far left or far right to be honest. It's just a constant dick measuring contest. And that's ok because it is cathartic and harmless.
Remember last week when Been posted a list of anti-conservative positions he felt everyone would be against? Abortion was the only thing in which virtually anyone remotely fit his image of the conservatism on this board.
Nothing to add beyond that except to say Sys is a wangnoodle.
It's been dawning on me lately that this board is mostly full of centrists making straw men out of each other. Not sure what active poster I would refer to as either far left or far right to be honest. It's just a constant dick measuring contest. And that's ok because it is cathartic and harmless.
Remember last week when Been posted a list of anti-conservative positions he felt everyone would be against? Abortion was the only thing in which virtually anyone remotely fit his image of the conservatism on this board.
Nothing to add beyond that except to say Sys is a wangnoodle.
That's the difference between syskatine and someone like Been or pilt. syskatine only sees binary liberal or consevatifth. If you aren't liberal according to the Party guidelines, then you muth be consevatifth. He's the quintessential current day Democrat that the Party relies on, uninformed and compliant. He chugs the frothy talking points through a beer bong and then belches them back up with no question or independent thought.
It's on full display in this thread as he tries to attribute sovereign citizen and white supremacist (actually a Democrat born and nurtured ideology) to right wing because that's exactly what the Party tells him to.
I can guarantee syskatine would be a model citizen in North Korea.
You guys stare facts right in the face and deny them. Now the KKK is leftist. Inner city violence is leftist terrorism.
K. Nothing draws silly mental gymnastics like factually contradicting conservative propaganda.
K. Nothing draws silly mental gymnastics like factually contradicting conservative propaganda.
Right on cue. I'm only applying your logic.
And history doesn't lie when it comes to the KKK. Racist organization formed by Democrats. Belly flopping in the pool doesn't make the giant floater disappear. I honestly can't think of any racist position in the Republican party. I can easily point out blatant racism in the Democratic party though; "minorities can't get photo IDs" is purebred racism no matter how the white liberal elites want to try to frame it. Abortion that disproportionately affects minorities is blatant racism. The creation of a dependent welfare class is blatant racism. The only thing that has changed these days is the distracting rhetoric and the location of the plantation.
