P.R. Disaster this weekend

[davidallen]

Maybe that's your take. To many of us, both sides are equally disgusting, but disgusting for different reasons. When either side resorts to violence and destruction, they play on the same field no matter what team they suited up for.

Very simple really.

It doesn't give you pause that so many respected leaders disagree? That the moral equivalence is dangerous, ignores history. Hell Jamie Dimon one of the most astute business leaders out there just said essentially what I am saying here. That doesn't register at least a little bit?

 

[davidallen]

I think this is interesting.

I tend to think both are wannabe groups living in their parents' basements. I think both just want to break shit and stir the pot to be offensive for the sake of being offensive.

I don't think they are as different as you do.

Except one has held real power. One has monuments on street corners around the country. One has University buildings named after their beloved leaders. The other has a vague sense of what could have been...

 

[PDT816]

Except one has held real power. One has monuments on street corners around the country. One has University buildings named after their beloved leaders. The other has a vague sense of what could have been...

Neither group has held power. Modeling yourself after a historical ideology isn't the same thing as having power yourself.

 

[Medic007]

It doesn't give you pause that so many respected leaders disagree? That the moral equivalence is dangerous, ignores history. Hell Jamie Dimon one of the most astute business leaders out there just said essentially what I am saying here. That doesn't register at least a little bit?

Nope. I call them like I see them. I don't bother with narratives that are prepackaged for my consumption.

I didn't attempt moral equivalence except to point out that violence and destruction are bad no matter who is doing it. I haven't given a pass for shitty and harmful behavior in the past, and I won't start anytime soon. As JD says, criminal behavior is criminal behavior.

I'll say it one last time just for good measure. Any group that includes violence and destruction in its repertoire of "protesting" loses any moral justification for their "cause." Both "sides" need to grow the f*ck up. We are discussing actual adults who are acting like idiots on a reform school playground. It's pathetic.

 

[Medic007]

Except one has held real power. One has monuments on street corners around the country. One has University buildings named after their beloved leaders. The other has a vague sense of what could have been...

Let's hang on to history to bludgeon people today with the shitty parts of the past, but let's make sure we get rid of all of the history that was shitty.

Brilliant. Can you really have it both ways?

 

[davidallen]

Let's hang on to history to bludgeon people today with the shitty parts of the past, but let's make sure we get rid of all of the history that was shitty.

Brilliant. Can you really have it both ways?

Both ways? How so? Saying that we should not legitimize the effort to reignite the most hateful movement in American history is bludgeoning you? What a precious little snow flake you can be sometimes.

 

[davidallen]

Neither group has held power. Modeling yourself after a historical ideology isn't the same thing as having power yourself.

So you want to stand behind the statement that white supremacists have never held power in the US? Those who believe a vast left wing conspiracy exists to thwart DJT actually believe that we live in a post racist society so much so that racism holds no power in or daily lives? Wow, just wow.

 

[davidallen]

Nope. I call them like I see them.

When was the last time you had a vision test? Looking a little myopic there....

 

[PDT816]

So you want to stand behind the statement that white supremacists have never held power in the US? Those who believe a vast left wing conspiracy exists to thwart DJT actually believe that we live in a post racist society so much so that racism holds no power in or daily lives? Wow, just wow.

There's no WOW moment here. The groups are what they are. You can either connect the dots for your side of the argument or you can just try and shame people with cheap theatrics. Balls in your court if you want to have an intellectually honest conversation.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

Despite the fact that 99% of Americans never owned slaves, white people today are expected to feel guilt for slavery and future generations are expected to atone for it

Wtf does that even mean? (silence -- feeling guilt.) So now it's all good? What was so hard about that? Try it. (waiting) You okay? Did you turn gay or sign your house over to a black guy?

Who says that? I'm still waiting for you to explain the origins of that piece of paper. Tell me the truth: You made it, didn't you? You sat down and typed it up and printed it out. Come clean.

Neither group has held power. Modeling yourself after a historical ideology isn't the same thing as having power yourself.

George Wallace, every U.S. President before Abe Lincoln, most elected officials before desegregation, and the authors of Jim Crow laws are on the other line.

I don't bother with narratives that are prepackaged for my consumption.

you know this is how it happens? It know I predicted christmas, but I'm moving your crochet hat wearing and smoking weed up to thanksgiving.

 

[Medic007]

Both ways? How so? Saying that we should not legitimize the effort to reignite the most hateful movement in American history is bludgeoning you? What a precious little snow flake you can be sometimes.

Don't be an intentional dipshit. Nobody but a very, very small group of idiots would welcome the past into the present. Scare tactics don't work on me. Got anything useful?

 

[Medic007]

When was the last time you had a vision test? Looking a little myopic there....

Rich. Someone able to see the contributions of both sides is myopic? You should look up the definition of the word. I think it has your picture now.

 

[Medic007]

you know this is how it happens? It know I predicted christmas, but I'm moving your crochet hat wearing and smoking weed up to thanksgiving.

Day drinking doesn't work well for you. Don't try to type while keg standing. Can you retype this in sober English?

 

[PDT816]

George Wallace, every U.S. President before Abe Lincoln, most elected officials before desegregation, and the authors of Jim Crow laws are on the other line.

Dude, you just posted a picture of Elon Musk as a great hero that stood up to Trump. The same Elon Musk whose business model depends on some 8-year-old slave going down a hole for a 24 hour shift mining cobalt in the Congo so he can make his lithium ion batteries.

Maybe you should take a break from name dropping for a while.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

Dude, you just posted a picture of Elon Musk as a great hero that stood up to Trump. The same Elon Musk whose business model depends on some 8-year-old slave going down a hole for a 24 hour shift mining cobalt in the Congo so he can make his lithium ion batteries.

Maybe you should take a break from name dropping for a while.

Are we having the same conversation? I just posted an Elon Musk photo? What does he have to do with anything in this?

@Medic007 you may want to get in here and defend private enterprise. It seems nobody is doing anything about Mr. Musk and his child labor, if our beloved mod is correct.

 

[Medic007]

@Medic007 you may want to get in here and defend private enterprise. It seems nobody is doing anything about Mr. Musk and his child labor, if our beloved mod is correct.

Huh? Less drinking. More English. I've already posted this once.

 

[PDT816]

Are we having the same conversation? I just posted an Elon Musk photo? What does he have to do with anything in this?

@Medic007 you may want to get in here and defend private enterprise. It seems nobody is doing anything about Mr. Musk and his child labor, if our beloved mod is correct.

I'm not sure we're actually having a conversation. You may just be posting random stuff you find online. Since I didn't drop Elon Musk in the first place, you'll have to defend bringing him up.

As far as whether I'm correct or not, where have you been friend? The better question is what are you going to do about it now that you do know that your smartphone, laptops, and everything else with a lithium ion battery is the product of slave labor?

 

[CBradSmith]

There's no WOW moment here. The groups are what they are. You can either connect the dots for your side of the argument or you can just try and shame people with cheap theatrics. Balls in your court if you want to have an intellectually honest conversation.

Haha. Good one

 

[blbronco]

No they are not equally disgusting. One represents a former entrenched part of society seeking to reassert itself celebrating those who fought for the right to own other humans, the other is bunch of wannabe anarchists still living in their mothers basement. Nowhere close to equivalent. This is the essence of Trumps failure.

David, I feel weird in this thread. I, for the most part, agree with sys in this thread, but I do not believe it is possible for me to disagree any more with you. Neo-nazi's are just too lazy to rebrand themselves unlike Antifa/BLM did with their historical equivalents.They are equally dirtbags. They are equally disgusting. They are all bordering on full on criminals. Trying to parse out evil feom evil is a terrible and slightly moronic stand.

 

[davidallen]

David, I feel weird in this thread. I, for the most part, agree with sys in this thread, but I do not believe it is possible for me to disagree any more with you. Neo-nazi's are just too lazy to rebrand themselves unlike Antifa/BLM did with their historical equivalents.They are equally dirtbags. They are equally disgusting. They are all bordering on full on criminals. Trying to parse out evil feom evil is a terrible and slightly moronic stand.

Interesting... must noodle on that.

 

[blbronco]

David, I feel weird in this thread. I, for the most part, agree with sys in this thread, but I do not believe it is possible for me to disagree any more with you. Neo-nazi's are just too lazy to rebrand themselves unlike Antifa/BLM did with their historical equivalents.They are equally dirtbags. They are equally disgusting. They are all bordering on full on criminals. Trying to parse out evil feom evil is a terrible and slightly moronic stand.

I jus re-read my own post. Not calling you a moron, just that stand. What I mean is: who was worse Lenin or Stalin? The only correct answer is that they were both horrible pieces of human excrement. That is basically what you are trying to defend. There is no defense of white supremacists, neo-nazis, antifa, BLM (I include BLM for the cop violence). None. At all. No defense. I despise Trump more every time he opens his mouth, but I cannot get worked up over his comments immedieately after the attack.

 

[HanAholeSolo2.0]

Both ways? How so? Saying that we should not legitimize the effort to reignite the most hateful movement in American history is bludgeoning you? What a precious little snow flake you can be sometimes.

historically communism has far more mass killings than nazis. far more.

 

[davidallen]

historically communism has far more mass killings than nazis. far more.

In the US, which is responsible for more cultural damage and human carnage? White supremacy or commies and antifacists?

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

I'm not sure we're actually having a conversation. You may just be posting random stuff you find online. Since I didn't drop Elon Musk in the first place, you'll have to defend bringing him up.

As far as whether I'm correct or not, where have you been friend? The better question is what are you going to do about it now that you do know that your smartphone, laptops, and everything else with a lithium ion battery is the product of slave labor?

Okay, I'm with you re: Elon. Sorry, squeezing in posts b/n work. I don't know what Elon's politics are (Most young billionaires are for their bottom line)

I guess you're setting down the computers once and for all. You'll be missed. I applaud your morality and integrity. As for me, I'm going to think on it and let you know where I come down.

Until then, I'll be filling in as board moderator. Don't worry, the board is in good hands.



New sheriff in town, gentlemen. If you want to keep posting we'll need one dank meme for every three posts and someone get me some funyuns and a 2 liter purple drink. I'm gonna be here a while getting this mess straightened out.

@CBradSmith would you please get over to Sutton Court and post some epic NBA fights? Something? It's dead over there. Bird v. Laimbeer is a good start.

 

[davidallen]

I jus re-read my own post. Not calling you a moron, just that stand. What I mean is: who was worse Lenin or Stalin? The only correct answer is that they were both horrible pieces of human excrement. That is basically what you are trying to defend. There is no defense of white supremacists, neo-nazis, antifa, BLM (I include BLM for the cop violence). None. At all. No defense. I despise Trump more every time he opens his mouth, but I cannot get worked up over his comments immedieately after the attack.

No offense taken. Would you consider this a more relevant question:

Who represents a greater threat to our civil society - David Duke or the pimpled kid down the block? They aren't equal - one is the greater threat.

Now put on the hats of an African American and the great American Entrepreneur - who represents the greater threat to your family, your prosperity? I have substantially more empathy for African American - in fact if todays news is correct so does the vast majority of those who would be most negatively impacted by some kind of commie take over.

 

[blbronco]

No offense taken. Would you consider this a more relevant question:

Who represents a greater threat to our civil society - David Duke or the pimpled kid down the block? They aren't equal - one is the greater threat.

Now put on the hats of an African American and the great American Entrepreneur - who represents the greater threat to your family, your prosperity? I have substantially more empathy for African American - in fact if todays news is correct so does the vast majority of those who would be most negatively impacted by some kind of commie take over.

Re: David Duke vs pimpled kid. So, specific person vs random individual? I don't know. Does the random pimpled kid make bombs in his spare time? Facebook stalk some innocent victim? Slice the throats of random people at night? Just masterbate to online porn a lot? Bad comparison. Not even close.

As to African American vs great American Entrpreneur? I don't know. Can the gAE also be African American? That alone makes this, also, a crappy example. I also do not care about mass opinions. That does not sway me. I can also support both gAE and AA trying to better themselves. I am wholy against that gain being dishonest/illegal holding others down. Another crappy example with a bogus dichotomy.

I still hold the same position. That is, I am creeped out that i can agree with sys, whom I find generally trolling (not a bad thing, considering the amount of trolling from the other side of the aisle on this board), and so adamantly disagree with you. So, to answer your question of relevance? No. It is not more relevant, and frankly, intellectually dishonest.

 

[HanAholeSolo2.0]

In the US, which is responsible for more cultural damage and human carnage? White supremacy or commies and antifacists?

my apologies. I originally missed the part where you said in America. it's a terrible ideology for sure. an argument could be made that margaret sanger is at the root of a worse ideology in this country but I digress.

regardless, we've fought communists a lot longer than nazis, who admittedly make much cooler sounding villains.

"anarcho-communist" just doesn't have that certain je ne sais quoi

 

[davidallen]

Re: David Duke vs pimpled kid. So, specific person vs random individual? I don't know. Does the random pimpled kid make bombs in his spare time? Facebook stalk some innocent victim? Slice the throats of random people at night? Just masterbate to online porn a lot? Bad comparison. Not even close.

As to African American vs great American Entrpreneur? I don't know. Can the gAE also be African American? That alone makes this, also, a crappy example. I also do not care about mass opinions. That does not sway me. I can also support both gAE and AA trying to better themselves. I am wholy against that gain being dishonest/illegal holding others down. Another crappy example with a bogus dichotomy.

I still hold the same position. That is, I am creeped out that i can agree with sys, whom I find generally trolling (not a bad thing, considering the amount of trolling from the other side of the aisle on this board), and so adamantly disagree with you. So, to answer your question of relevance? No. It is not more relevant, and frankly, intellectually dishonest.

The fact that neither you or I can't name one of these insidious commies might be indicative of something.

I picked David Duke but really should have named people like Richard Spencer - actual names, actual people.

 

[PDT816]

Okay, I'm with you re: Elon. Sorry, squeezing in posts b/n work. I don't know what Elon's politics are (Most young billionaires are for their bottom line)

I guess you're setting down the computers once and for all. You'll be missed. I applaud your morality and integrity. As for me, I'm going to think on it and let you know where I come down.

Until then, I'll be filling in as board moderator. Don't worry, the board is in good hands.



New sheriff in town, gentlemen. If you want to keep posting we'll need one dank meme for every three posts and someone get me some funyuns and a 2 liter purple drink. I'm gonna be here a while getting this mess straightened out.

@CBradSmith would you please get over to Sutton Court and post some epic NBA fights? Something? It's dead over there. Bird v. Laimbeer is a good start.

Weak sauce. Seriously.

Take your time tough guy and let me know when someone finally informs you what your opinion on this should be.

 

[davidallen]

Weak sauce. Seriously.

Take your time tough guy and let me know when someone finally informs you what your opinion on this should be.

mod·er·a·tor
ˈmädəˌrādər/
noun

1. 1.
   an arbitrator or mediator.
   "Egypt managed to assert its role as a regional moderator"
   • 
     
2. 2.
   a person who moderates an Internet forum or online discussion.

Not so much the former, more just the latter I suppose around here....

 

[davidallen]

As to African American vs great American Entrpreneur? I don't know. Can the gAE also be African American?

At least one of the ones to call out the POTUS and resign from one of the advisory groups was... so yeah, I think that is still allowed in Trumps 'Merica.

 

[Medic007]

Who represents a greater threat to our civil society - David Duke or the pimpled kid down the block? They aren't equal - one is the greater threat.

Talk about snowflake. Are you really delusional enough to believe folks like David Duke could gain a majority in this country? The progressive fear mongering has taken it's toll on you. Welcome to 2017. Even White Power! Trump himself couldn't do that. Too many of us sensible people for that to happen. But now the lefty foaming at the mouth is starting to make sense to me.

If I'm being honest, thinking David Duke represents a threat to our civil society is akin to the weirdos that think that radical Islamists are on their way to some kind of majority here and we'll soon have Sharia law. Pretty dumb, huh?

 

[davidallen]

Too many of us sensible people for that to happen.

Objection your honor. The defense is assuming facts not in evidence. I move the record be stricken and Mr. Medic refrain from future absurd assertions.

 

[PDT816]

mod·er·a·tor
ˈmädəˌrādər/
noun

1. 1.
   an arbitrator or mediator.
   "Egypt managed to assert its role as a regional moderator"
2. 2.
   a person who moderates an Internet forum or online discussion.

Not so much the former, more just the latter I suppose around here....

I am mediating and moderating. I'm treating you and sys exactly how act towards others.

How does it feel?

 

[davidallen]

If I'm being honest

Your honor, I must object again. There is absolutely no precedence for nor stipulation to this assumed "fact".

 

[davidallen]

I am mediating and moderating. I'm treating you and sys exactly how act towards others.

How does it feel?

Umm well -- your momma...

Seriously though, if you intend to play Sys and Davidallen you better bring your A game. Pretty pitiful thus far.

 

[CBradSmith]

Okay, I'm with you re: Elon. Sorry, squeezing in posts b/n work. I don't know what Elon's politics are (Most young billionaires are for their bottom line)

I guess you're setting down the computers once and for all. You'll be missed. I applaud your morality and integrity. As for me, I'm going to think on it and let you know where I come down.

Until then, I'll be filling in as board moderator. Don't worry, the board is in good hands.



New sheriff in town, gentlemen. If you want to keep posting we'll need one dank meme for every three posts and someone get me some funyuns and a 2 liter purple drink. I'm gonna be here a while getting this mess straightened out.

@CBradSmith would you please get over to Sutton Court and post some epic NBA fights? Something? It's dead over there. Bird v. Laimbeer is a good start.

Occupy your mind with the eleventy billion yards through the air this football team is going to put up starting a few weeks from now...basketball can lay low for a bit.

 

[PDT816]

Umm well -- your momma...

Seriously though, if you intend to play Sys and Davidallen you better bring your A game. Pretty pitiful thus far.

Writes the one guy that plays the "moderator card" because he's got nothing else and the other who thinks he should be the moderator after getting exposed for his ignorance.

Dude you're the one inferring people are racist morons. Man up.

 

[davidallen]

Writes the one guy that plays the "moderator card" because he's got nothing else and the other who thinks he should be the moderator after getting exposed for his ignorance.

Dude you're the one inferring people are racist morons. Man up.

Which people? Richard Spencer - yep. Who else? You feeling defensive?

 

[davidallen]

Writes the one guy that plays the "moderator card" because he's got nothing else and the other who thinks he should be the moderator after getting exposed for his ignorance.

Dude you're the one inferring people are racist morons. Man up.

The moderator card - I admit I laughed.