OSU v. Utah Valley
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Burton is from Idaho, some of his friends sitting row behind me. Guessing maybe he earned the opportunity to use a free Fr match to wrestle in front of family and friends.
To me, Spratley and Travis looked basically the same last year. I remember someone commenting right after his transfer that Amine had little offense. Little offense, can't get off the bottom and can't ride for 20 secs means a loss.
The big guys looked aggressive and great. Witcraf with some good throws (duh) and even went to the leg a couple of times. Carter also wrestled well.
The big guys looked aggressive and great. Witcraf with some good throws (duh) and even went to the leg a couple of times. Carter also wrestled well.
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Was a bit disappointed in Spratley’s match. Though I will say that Ricks wrestled Caleb Smith very closely too so I think he’s a solid wrestler.
Regarding some guys looking like last year's version, let's all remember that translating what you learn in the room to a match is largely mental and can take some time being comfortable enough with your new bag of tricks to try them in a live match. I'd wait until mid January when they have 10-12 matches under their belt before evaluating them.
It's like a pro golfer going through a swing change. It often takes six months or more to duplicate what you are doing on the practice range to the golf course during competition. It's a mental trust issue.
It's like a pro golfer going through a swing change. It often takes six months or more to duplicate what you are doing on the practice range to the golf course during competition. It's a mental trust issue.
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It’s dual no . 1 man. I know this is your whole schtick but judging a staff’s development ability the very first dual when they’ve been on the job for 5 months is dumb. Sorry no other way to put it. These guys are coaches not wizards who can just snap their fingers and turn everyone into Bo Nickel. Development takes time.
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Sprat with a solid takedown when it counted. Teams like this bring their A game. Young program gets a home match against the most historic program ever are going to bring it. Ricks looked solid. I was happy to see Carter Young looking good. Excited for Sundays match.When it’s over my hope is that June Cleaver will say … “ Ward, you were a little hard on the Beaver last night!”
Hate to break it to you but June wasn't talking about her younger son... 🤣
Sorry for the non wrestling post but it was too irresistable to pass up.
Ricks stayed in perfect position, don't recall him taking a single shot but was apparently he was wearing down in the 3rd.
It was a snoozefest for sure. I was just pointing out that Amine largely lost the match in the 2nd, and the crossbody ride was the cause.
Barraclough is a hammer on top, holds position well and is hard to score on. He had zero offense, no shots attempted by him. He ended up in the backpack position a couple of times. One was called stalling after like 20 sec and the other time is was not called at all. He was just trying to take it the distance in hopes the riding time would work in his favor.
As I said "basically the same last year" as that's how he wrestled a lot last year.
I expected change from those wrestlers that needed the most improvement, i.e., Spratley, Witcaft, Jamison, Travis, Thompson and Surber. I don't remember seeing Amine wrestle before but it seems like this was the way he wrestle previously, according to his detractor on this board.
I thought Witcraft looked improved, going for at least two single legs; Surber attacked continuously.
Spratley and Travis wrestles the same "no offense" style they wrestled most of the time last year. I know they won but I expected DT to be pissed during and after both matches. I want to our coaches to say (during practice and matches) exactly what I do while watching them and that is, "shoot, Shoot, SHOOT..."
Sorry if it rubs anybody and I know it's early but I bought and drank heavily of the new DT, bright orange kool-aid. I expected and expect significant improvement and fairly quickly.
And don't get me wrong, I believe Coach Smith needed to retire at least 3-4 years ago and in hindsight, it probably would have been the best for his legacy if he'd retired after 2006 (15yrs) but that's for a different thread.
Expecting every wrestler to be massively improved after 5 months is just unrealistic. Being better in March is the goal not November.
Amine best offense comes from reattacks and counters. Barraclough had a game plan obviously and he followed it. He's had 3 or 4 majors this year already. He took Garvin down multiple times. He had no offense in this match by design but that doesn't mean he has no offense
I’m not gonna sweat Spratley’s first match. UVU kid wrestled tough in his other matches. More practices, more live matches (which are going to feel totally different from live go’s in practice), and just more time in general is gonna give us a better idea of where Spratley is.
No worries where Spratley and Travis are concerned. It was their first matches, and the guys they wrestled had no intention whatsoever of shooting and trying to score. All they wanted to do was wrestle defensively and try to keep it close and It can actually be really be hard and frustrating to wrestle those kind of guys. Ask Daton because every MF he wrestled at NCAA’s besides Vito wanted to wrestle him defensively and keep it close.
Team looked awesome. Great things ahead for Oklahoma State Wrestling!
Edit: went back and really looked at some of the comments. I understand that some people don’t see things that some other people see. As far as Spratley, he probably should’ve pulled the trigger more. I agree with that. But his footwork and hand fighting were absolutely freaking superior in that match to anything I saw him do last year. He also looked strong against an obviously strong Ricks.
Team looked awesome. Great things ahead for Oklahoma State Wrestling!
Edit: went back and really looked at some of the comments. I understand that some people don’t see things that some other people see. As far as Spratley, he probably should’ve pulled the trigger more. I agree with that. But his footwork and hand fighting were absolutely freaking superior in that match to anything I saw him do last year. He also looked strong against an obviously strong Ricks.
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I would’ve liked to see Spratley and Travis risk it more. Get uncomfortable. Have the skill to come out on top of scrambles but didn’t get to that point. Same thing I said a few times about Fix too. Waiting for perfect shot opportunities that don’t come. Surber is a good example of the opposite. Exposes himself some but works out more often than not.
I guess it’s our problem we expected change from you too? Are you related to Harley?? It’s the FIRST match!!
As I said pulling the trigger more. Surber’s opponent wasn’t wrestling nearly as defensively as Troy and Teagues guys.
Bridger Ricks took Caleb Smith #4 from Nebraska to overtime last week. He made no shots during the match and Spratley was never in trouble. Ricks has good defense but that is based on taking no chances. I completely agree with coaches and Troy about not going down in the 3rd period behind 3-0. It would have just wasted time and Troy was able to break through
his defense in the 3rd. All of our wrestlers looked ready to wrestle. I think we are too hard on Kolter Burton as he is a freshman and his future looks bright. As far as Cam Amine goes, he is a 5th or 6th year wrestler who is very tough to take down and his opponent is a master on the mat. He has to improve on bottom and on top if he wants to AA again. Cam will win most of his matches this year and the future around this weight looks very bright with what we have coming in.
You should be careful calling someone names when your reading comprehension is not good since I was describing our wrestling last night. I used terms like "early in the season" and "I don't see great development in our wrestlers, yet". I have been reading about this great development, which I hope occurs. However, I will need to see it first before I write about it. Also I thought I was balanced pointing out how well Witcraft, Young, Hamiti, Plott, Surber and Hendrickson wrestled.
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I mean there’s not a ton to question at the moment. They absolutely smoked an inferior opponent with 6/10 guys getting bonus points, and the only 2 losses being a true freshman and a guy losing a top 5 matchup. A few guys had matches closer than they should’ve been, but it’s hard to draw any conclusions from a single match.
Agree and if look at starters only, who was ever in trouble? I'd say the only one was Hendrickson and only for 5 seconds. Ricks never attempted a takedown nor did Barraclough.
I rewatched the takedown on Hendrickson and even that seemed flukey at best. I don’t know how planned the UVU kid’s shot was. Almost thought he just kinda… dove as Hendrickson reached to tie up?
If you want to talk about reading comprehension I didn’t call anyone names. I said commenting about development dual 1 is dumb. I didn’t call YOU dumb.
A one match sample size is not really a good way to gauge if these guys have “developed” or not. Frankly, some of these guys might not get a lot better. Amine has been in college for a long, long time. This is probably just who he is.
Development isn’t linear and most of the time it’s a long process.
The fact that Barraclough didn't attempt a takedown and still won should temper everyone's enthusiasm about Amine. He is a known quantity. He will win most bouts by decision but is challenged in a number of areas that limits his high AA ability. He is a 5-8 AA at best. It is too late to change his style so he is what he is. Unfortunately. Just my honest opinion.
I am hoping that DT and staff can get him out of his comfort zone and have him start taking some chances.
