On the rights of illegal aliens

[07pilt]

There are no real inalienable rights. Even the sanctity of life is not inalienable, but rather only protected by the constructs of our government documents and their applied jurisdiction.

If that's the way you want to go that's fine with me.

What about the 10th Amendment. All it says is that if the Federal government documents and regulations do not apply, then the state's laws and regulations apply. And if neither have made statements, then its falls to mankind. But this is just a catchall. What inalienable right do you think the 10th Amendment is providing?

Tenth amendment implies, at least to me, that you have rights not explicitly spelled out in the constitution.

 

[aix_xpert]

So an illegal alien accused of murder is not entitled to due process beyond determining that they are an illegal alien?

Well you are an illegal alien so we can skip the jury and go straight to the electric chair.

Now you are combining offenses and questioning which applies? I apologize, I assumed you mean due process for being illegal, not for being a murderer. Yes, you get due process, but only because the legal documents explicitely state what that process is. The right to an attorney, a fair trial, etc... are all explicitly stated in legal documents.

 

[aix_xpert]

If that's the way you want to go that's fine with me.


Tenth amendment implies, at least to me, that you have rights not explicitly spelled out in the constitution.

Name one. The only one that existed was that the government cannot directly mandate a specific behavior or buying of a product. But that was thrown out with Obamacare. Outside of that, everything else you do in life is regulated and governed by some form of government.

 

[07pilt]

The right to an attorney, a fair trial, etc... are all explicitly stated in legal documents.

I agree that history (and contemporary situations too) show(s) that you only get to exercise the natural rights that the governing authority recognizes. I would argue that those rights still exist whether they are recognized or not (I think Thomas Jefferson would agree, but disagree on the rights and who they are extended to)

 

[07pilt]

Name one. The only one that existed was that the government cannot directly mandate a specific behavior or buying of a product. But that was thrown out with Obamacare. Outside of that, everything else you do in life is regulated and governed by some form of government.

Right to freedom of movement.

 

[aix_xpert]

Right to freedom of movement.

Is it? You are correct that its one of the very few rights granted but not enumerated within the Constitution. However, in today's world, even this freedom is regulated. While I am free to leave and enter the country, I'm required to acquire and maintain government documents (aka passport) to do so. To use the roads required to travel, I must pay to register my vehicles or be subject to government regulated travel organizations (airlines, taxis, etc).

 

[07pilt]

Is it? You are correct that its one of the very few rights granted but not enumerated within the Constitution. However, in today's world, even this freedom is regulated. While I am free to leave and enter the country, I'm required to acquire and maintain government documents (aka passport) to do so. To use the roads required to travel, I must pay to register my vehicles or be subject to government regulated travel organizations (airlines, taxis, etc).

My dude, what right enumerated or not is not subject to regulation?

 

[squeak]

Right to freedom of movement.

Slumber party at Pilt's tonight every one! Better yet, let's just move in.

 

[07pilt]

Slumber party at Pilt's tonight every one! Better yet, let's just move in.

hahahaha I also have no understanding of what words mean.

 

[CBradSmith]

Aid to freedom of movement.