Was there a debate on this topic in the last 4 months.
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On the rights of illegal aliens
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Illegal aliens should have no rights. You were denied asylum and, therefore, denied the right to due process. Piss off.
Less than four years ago the story on rights was that rights are given by god not the government.
There a certain rights that the founders found to be "unalienable rights" or "natural rights". Then there are rights established by the United States Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These were intended for the citizens of the United States of America and have no legal standing in non-US jurisdictions or sovereign nations.
Someone in another country is not entitled to the rights of the United States nor can the US impose constitutional law on them. It's a two way street.
There are Constitutional rights that also belong to non-citizens that are within the jurisdiction of the US.
A good chunk of them, in fact.
Of course but they have to be physically located in a jurisdiction of the United States to be entitled to have them.
It is my understanding the Appellate Court ruling that the Supreme Court let stand applies to people who are not in a US jurisdiction.
That's pretty damn expansive. What rights are exclusively granted by the constitution (i.e. what rights does the constitution grant that aren't natural).
I agree.
You didn't mention those people and explicitly stated that Constitutional rights and the Bill of Rights were "intended" for U.S. Citizens.
I was just clarifying.
If I wanted to be an argumentative lawyer, I'd point out that some of those constitutional rights for non-citizens don't require present physical presence on US territory. (Due process with regards to status...i.e. "Green card" holders even when they aren't presently in country.
I thought we are calling them migrants you racist people. Also by you I mean all of yous.
A "Green Card" holder has an established legal status with the USA. Got no problem with them being afforded due process.
I think where most people have an issue is that there is a faction of people who want to bestow the constitutional rights of the United States of America to everyone in the world.
This might actually be a good idea instead of ridiculous if the rest of the world afforded someone from the United States the rights of the USA everywhere in the world. We all know that is an impossibility that would never happen.
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Not to me and it's not spelled out as a natural right in the constitution. If other sovereign countries don't want that right then it is their choice.
The Founders gave us that right and it will remain a right of the USA until it is lawfully amended. Don't like that particular right then go through the legal process of changing it.
HERE pilt We haven't discussed it HERE. I don't care what Google shows.
You need a refund on your reading comprehension classes.
I believe I have had a very interesting and engaging conversation with dts about whether the Constitution is simply a recognition of natural God given rights or the law that grants the rights.
So I do believe we have had these types of conversations here before.
I agree that will never happen in the broad sense you describe. There are broad treaties, like the Vienna convention that grant some rights to Americans in most (not all) countries around the world and vice Versace. Not exactly the same thing, I recognize that.
JD a search shows only 1 other thread here, about hod given rights, from last summer that had nothing to do with immigration. And pilt was just being a smartass pointing at google.
Maybe you and dts had a discussion in private.
Back on topic.
I'm in agreement with most if not all of what Headhunter has mentioned.
An illegal immigrants has the right to not be assaulted by citizens, however if they show up to report a crime I think they should also be arrested and handed over to Imigration. Their presence is a continuous breaking of federal laws. There are ways to enter our country legally and there is a line they need to get into before just swimming across the river.
Maybe you and dts had a discussion in private.
Back on topic.
I'm in agreement with most if not all of what Headhunter has mentioned.
An illegal immigrants has the right to not be assaulted by citizens, however if they show up to report a crime I think they should also be arrested and handed over to Imigration. Their presence is a continuous breaking of federal laws. There are ways to enter our country legally and there is a line they need to get into before just swimming across the river.
Not trying to highjack an interesting thread, but methinks God has bigger problems on his plate now, than land ownership rights. If he doesn't, we're in deeper shit than imagined.
I dont think God has any problems. I think people are just ****ing stupid, always have been, and always will be.
CowboyPhil, please waste your own time searching back 4 years on what was being discussed.
So the rights god gave us are only natural rights if the constitution acknowledges them as such?
pilt still haven't finished that reading comprehension class yet? I already searched HERE and there was no thread. So quit trying to make up alt facts.
Since when is the left concerned with God given rights anyways. The left mostly ignores what God has said, so why should they have any God given rights?
Since when is the left concerned with God given rights anyways. The left mostly ignores what God has said, so why should they have any God given rights?
Take personal responsibility for your own poor searching ability.
Sorry I'll try to stay on script next time.
The US recognizes no God given rights as to do otherwise would be a violation of the separation of Church and State. The only rights afforded to its citizens and its inhabitants are those explicitly stated in the Constitution and other governing documents. Those rights do not extend beyond our country's borders and territories except where we have ratified explicit treaties with other countries to extend such rights.
God is just a literary device in this formulation. Other ways of putting it would be natural rights. Rights inherent in men. Inalienable rights (sound familiar?)
Tenth ammendment much?
The only due process that is due to illegal aliens is that which is required to determine that they are actually illegal.
So an illegal alien accused of murder is not entitled to due process beyond determining that they are an illegal alien?
Well you are an illegal alien so we can skip the jury and go straight to the electric chair.
There are no real inalienable rights. Even the sanctity of life is not inalienable, but rather only protected by the constructs of our government documents and their applied jurisdiction.
What about the 10th Amendment. All it says is that if the Federal government documents and regulations do not apply, then the state's laws and regulations apply. And if neither have made statements, then its falls to mankind. But this is just a catchall. What inalienable right do you think the 10th Amendment is providing?
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