Next Years Lineup

[DEWrestlingFan]

Not sure if I missed this news or a post on here, but just read an article saying that Sakamoto will be eligible to wrestle this semester for OK State.

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[DEWrestlingFan]

Article also says he will be wrestling at 125.

 

[chasepollard]

I like where we stand from 125 through 165 and 197. Who knows how the final lineup will shake out, but I am confident we will have at least one quality wrestler at each of those weights. I have a lot of questions at 174, 184, and 285. In theory, Thompson could lock down one of the 174/184 spots, but the jury is still out on him. The other two spots seem like they will need to come through the portal, although Doucet would be serviceable at 285 if necessary. That weight class clears out a lot next year.

So, 174 (I hope we RS Dee) is unknown. 184 is BT and he will be fine. 97 looks like a good fill and without injury I guarantee we see KD as an AA.

So I don’t see much of a problem besides it’s not a lineup to unseat PSU.

 

[ionel]

So, 174 (I hope we RS Dee) is unknown.

Is it true that OSU admin is working to get Wisconsin declared a Junior College so Dean can get another year?

 

[DEWrestlingFan]

So, 174 (I hope we RS Dee) is unknown. 184 is BT and he will be fine. 97 looks like a good fill and without injury I guarantee we see KD as an AA.

So I don’t see much of a problem besides it’s not a lineup to unseat PSU.

I feel like OK State has set up a good future with the lineup from 57 and up. Robideau, Lockett, Routledge, Thompson, Merrill, Johnson, throw a good HWT recruit in there, and maybe Jax Forrest (if he commits to OK State and grows some) and I would say they are setting themself up to take a shot at Penn State. Only time shall tell!

 

[osu2082]

So, 174 (I hope we RS Dee) is unknown. 184 is BT and he will be fine. 97 looks like a good fill and without injury I guarantee we see KD as an AA.

So I don’t see much of a problem besides it’s not a lineup to unseat PSU.

184 is up in the air. I could see us bring in a transfer at HWT if a top tier one is available.

 

[Beagle23]

Many are counting on true freshmen (in the upper weights, no less). Most of those need to redshirt or face too many seasoned, mature wrestlers to be consistently successful. I hope the portal provides temporary help in order for the young guys to be prepared down the line.

 

[Pennstate1985]

Many are counting on true freshmen (in the upper weights, no less). Most of those need to redshirt or face too many seasoned, mature wrestlers to be consistently successful. I hope the portal provides temporary help in order for the young guys to be prepared down the line.

I think 2026 is a transition year for heavyweight where a number of guys could win it. After that, I think some incoming FR and RSFR will be ready to take over that weight as you describe.

 

[Sebastian]

I wish we would have done the redshirt deal talked about before the season. Would have sacrificed some this year but would be stacked next year with multiple title shots. What was the lineup we could have had?

 

[SlickWillie2018]

Roster limits are gonna make it hard to recruit at the level this staff probably wants to recruit and also bring in several transfers every year. IMO BT is the 184 unless he royally screws up, 197 is Merrill, and HWT is either Doucet or somehow another transfer. Lockett is probably a guy too good to redshirt, so maybe you have a transfer at 165/174 (whichever Lockett doesn’t go).

 

[Pennstate1985]

Roster limits are gonna make it hard to recruit at the level this staff probably wants to recruit and also bring in several transfers every year. IMO BT is the 184 unless he royally screws up, 197 is Merrill, and HWT is either Doucet or somehow another transfer. Lockett is probably a guy too good to redshirt, so maybe you have a transfer at 165/174 (whichever Lockett doesn’t go).

My sense is that the hard 30 man roster limit for 25-26 will soften considerably in the next few months. Maybe phased in or maybe done away with entirely. Odds are diminishing that it stays as-is.

 

[Nitlion1986]

Garbage

Why woukd Iowa offer him garbage, or are you talking an Iowa degree?

 

[SlickWillie2018]

My sense is that the hard 30 man roster limit for 25-26 will soften considerably in the next few months. Maybe phased in or maybe done away with entirely. Odds are diminishing that it stays as-is.

Do you think that happens via litigation or just schools pushing back on the roster limit? I’m not super up to date on any legal proceedings around this kinda thing.

 

[Pennstate1985]

Do you think that happens via litigation or just schools pushing back on the roster limit? I’m not super up to date on any legal proceedings around this kinda thing.

Schools are pushing back on it. At a minimum, I think you'll see a phased in approach. The whole thought process by the NCAA is silly if you think about it. Why does anyone care how many kids are on a roster if the scholarship limit is a hard limit. Title 9 law is set on scholarships and not roster size. Maybe they eventually get to a point where only 30 guys can get ANY scholarship or book money, and the remaining guys are wrestling for the love of the sport and a photo/memory of being on a podium team.

 

[SlickWillie2018]

Schools are pushing back on it. At a minimum, I think you'll see a phased in approach. The whole thought process by the NCAA is silly if you think about it. Why does anyone care how many kids are on a roster if the scholarship limit is a hard limit. Title 9 law is set on scholarships and not roster size. Maybe they eventually get to a point where only 30 guys can get ANY scholarship or book money, and the remaining guys are wrestling for the love of the sport and a photo/memory of being on a podium team.

A great point but I think I might have to push back on the notion of the NCAA putting thought into anything

 

[Pennstate1985]

A great point but I think I might have to push back on the notion of the NCAA putting thought into anything

I did call it silly…

 

[alex1fly]

The roster cap seems like a halfass attempt to wrangle in NIL. Without a cap there’s nothing stopping a big donor from fully funding 100 kids. There needs to be a total funding cap or something, but the roster cap is a stopgap measure. Or at least that’s my read on it.

 

[vhsalum]

The roster cap seems like a halfass attempt to wrangle in NIL. Without a cap there’s nothing stopping a big donor from fully funding 100 kids. There needs to be a total funding cap or something, but the roster cap is a stopgap measure. Or at least that’s my read on it.

There is a cap. and NIL counts against that cap. The athletes are going to be making WAY less than now. NCAA still gonna NCAA - they want to right the ship so money goes to the school first. Then it's distributed.

But like @Pennstate1985 said - everything is up in the air and everything is in discussion. The NCAA still gonna NCAA and they're trying to "cap" NIL - which, I don't see how that will stand up in court in the future.

 

[Pennstate1985]

There is a cap. and NIL counts against that cap. The athletes are going to be making WAY less than now. NCAA still gonna NCAA - they want to right the ship so money goes to the school first. Then it's distributed.

But like @Pennstate1985 said - everything is up in the air and everything is in discussion. The NCAA still gonna NCAA and they're trying to "cap" NIL - which, I don't see how that will stand up in court in the future.

Hey @vhsalum, how is NIL tied to roster limit? There has to be a reason why roster limit is being attacked but in my denseness I don't see it. Is the thought process unrelated to wrestling, but has effects on wrestling? I'm assuming that this issue is directed toward football and possibly Title IX and we suffer the fallout as per usual. Is the NCAA trying to prevent an end around where the 30 lowest guys get the scholarships and the best 7-8 guys get the high NIL, which would probably circumvent the "spirit" of the intent.

 

[vhsalum]

Hey @vhsalum, how is NIL tied to roster limit? There has to be a reason why roster limit is being attacked but in my denseness I don't see it. Is the thought process unrelated to wrestling, but has effects on wrestling? I'm assuming that this issue is directed toward football and possibly Title IX and we suffer the fallout as per usual. Is the NCAA trying to prevent an end around where the 30 lowest guys get the scholarships and the best 7-8 guys get the high NIL, which would probably circumvent the "spirit" of the intent.

Mitigate, mitigate, mitigate. NCAA is doing everything they can to lessen the blow of NIL money going to the athletes. But they have to "give" to the Olympic Sports as well. It's this weird dance that they're doing.

The more you hear, the more you know less. but the below is the best breakdown i've seen of where we currently stand.

https://natlawreview.com/article/ta...-approval-settlement-house-v-ncaa-could-bring

 

[tom_v31]

Schools are pushing back on it. At a minimum, I think you'll see a phased in approach. The whole thought process by the NCAA is silly if you think about it. Why does anyone care how many kids are on a roster if the scholarship limit is a hard limit. Title 9 law is set on scholarships and not roster size. Maybe they eventually get to a point where only 30 guys can get ANY scholarship or book money, and the remaining guys are wrestling for the love of the sport and a photo/memory of being on a podium team.

I don’t see that law lasting, as it is too long

 

[OSUMatFan]

I think it is about parity. If we pay NIL money to fifty people as opposed to a school that is not fully funded for scholarships they will drop their programs. Let's see where this goes with thirty guys in the room.

 

[Pennstate1985]

I think it is about parity. If we pay NIL money to fifty people as opposed to a school that is not fully funded for scholarships they will drop their programs. Let's see where this goes with thirty guys in the room.

If that's the goal then it's just delaying the inevitable. It's not a fix based on market conditions, and therefore untenable long term.