Newt and his Muslim Inquisition

[GunsOfFrankEaton]

I say we stop all immigration for a period of about 60 years. From Europe, from the Mideast, from the Orient, from Canada, from Mexico, from Russia, from Mars. Let's get our house in order and let other countries do the same.

 

[HighStickHarry]

Whether it's noble or foolish, it's a principle on which I squarely stand and which I will have no doubt that I will continue to hold.

I can respect that.

In the aftermath of the Boston bombing, I believe police went door to door entering houses and clearing them. What say you about that? I might be off on the details.

 

[MegaPoke]

Nope.

There is not an action or a collection of actions that would open the door for me to say **** the bill of rights or **** due process let's start rounding up Muslims....nor come search me and my family's home without a warrant....nor arrest me without probable cause or force me to incriminate myself as a matter of law or to presume anyone guilty until proven innocent.

Doesn't exist.

We can effectively fight terrorism at home and abroad without doing that.

Co-sign

 

[HighStickHarry]

Hmm better men than me. I'm almost ready for Muslim deportation.

 

[MegaPoke]

We all have our breaking point. There is an action or a collection of actions that would open the door for jd or mega to say **** the bill of rights **** any due process lets start rounding up Muslims. Is it one shooting a week? Is it one truck rampage a day? Would it be one or maybe five family members killed and the last thing they heard was allah Akbar? Would it be not being able to leave your house because your neighborhood was under siege? All ridiculous scenarios to a lot of you but to someone who has studied history and knows the spectrum of human nature knows anything is possible.

Some people are reaching their breaking point now and do not want being civilized and fair to be a death sentence from people who probably don't have an Arabic translation.

That being said, I don't know what the right answers are. I don't know what my breaking point is. I'm probably an early stage islamaphobe at this point.

Islamists are the nazis of our time. I concede that at that time we had internment camps, but way before something like that, we need to grow some balls and decide to crush evil at its source.

Without that, we are never going to solve or control the problem. We might not be able to 100% eliminate the ideology but we can take away its base, stop its genocidal atrocities and make it unattractive to recruits.

We've done nothing.

 

[HighStickHarry]

But you think Muslims that are here deserve all of the rights we are allowed right now? If I was Muslim I would say please tap my phone please search my house please closely moniter what I say on Facebook. I think Muslims need to be profiled and have some of their rights temporarily curtailed. Until we figure out what the hell is going on!

 

[CowboyJD]

I can respect that.

In the aftermath of the Boston bombing, I believe police went door to door entering houses and clearing them. What say you about that? I might be off on the details.

i can make a lawyerly response to that by saying hot pursuit is a valid exception to the 4th Amendment warrant requirement.

OR

I could say that personally a door to door clearing of houses without consent of the homeowner is wrong and shouldn't be tolerated.

I'll go with the second. I'll go further and say that under those circumstances, I would likely consent as well. Giving personal consent and waiving your rights (Miranda, search warrant, due process, whatever), however, is different than being okay with the government violating those constitutional rights without consent or waiver,

 

[CowboyJD]

But you think Muslims that are here deserve all of the rights we are allowed right now? If I was Muslim I would say please tap my phone please search my house please closely moniter what I say on Facebook. I think Muslims need to be profiled and have some of their rights temporarily curtailed. Until we figure out what the hell is going on!

There is a difference between consenting or waiving your constitutional rights and being okay or advocating the government violate them without consent or waiver.