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New poll: Kid Rock up by 4 points in Michigan Senate race

NZ Poke

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Part of draining the rotten-to-the-core GOP Swamp is sending more outsider candidates like him to DC.




Also keep an eye on the Massachusetts senate race between the real Indian and fake Indian.







 
I hope Kid Rock wears that goofy hat in the Senate.

And also that he stays stoned.

And perhaps this T shirt:
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" “I believe if you work your butt off and pay taxes, you should be able to easily navigate the laws, tax codes, health care and anything else the government puts in place that affects us all.” "

That is a message that will get him elected in Michigan. Add in that he's got name recognition and is a moderate (almost Libertarian) and he may win by a landslide.

(Quote sourced from story on foxnews.com)
 
This has pseudo-zero relevance to the race, but I heard it on a real oldies station, and Detroit ............


 
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Do you guys want Toby Keith to be the US Senator from Oklahoma? Because this is how you get Toby Keith to run for Senate.
 
Do you guys want Toby Keith to be the US Senator from Oklahoma? Because this is how you get Toby Keith to run for Senate.

You are absolutely right. But we are there already. National politics has become a popularity contest more than an actual responsible governing role. Just look at threee of the biggest 2020 Democrat names that have been tossed around: Oprah Winfrey, Duane Johnson, and Mark Zuckenberg. The latter is at least a business man, but if you think he'd be elected for his "business acumen" then I have some Ocean-front property out by Altus to sell you. And to not be outdone, the Republican's won the White House with Donald Trump who's more known for "the apprentice" than his 25 years as a NY real estate mogul.
 
Do you guys want Toby Keith to be the US Senator from Oklahoma? Because this is how you get Toby Keith to run for Senate.


being that he breathes thru his nose on tuesday's

i think he'd be a better gov than fallin for sure
 
being that he breathes thru his nose on tuesday's

i think he'd be a better gov than fallin for sure
You could take a list of the regular posters here, throw a dart and whoever's name the dart hits, would be a better governor than Fallin.

The thing that still cracks me up about her, was her role in creating and promoting "common core" (which was created by the National Governor's Association and the Council of Chief State School Officers) and still saying it was the best way forward for the state's schools. That is, right up until it started polling badly, at which time she disowned it and acted like she had nothing to with it. Of course, this shouldn't come as too much of a surprise given how she basically has done the same with her wayward daughter.
 
Do you guys want Toby Keith to be the US Senator from Oklahoma? Because this is how you get Toby Keith to run for Senate.

Bet he would force the use of red solo cups instead of crystal glass ware in Washington, could save some dollars there, and it would be more than what congress has accomplished in the last 6 months.
 
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I guess I don't see the problem.

Citizen representation was the original idea wasn't it? Most senators don't need to be able to do anything but read their morning talking points anyway.

Actually no, citizen representation in the Senate WAS NOT, the "ORIGINAL" idea. You need to brush up a bit on your history there Mega.

For the first 125 yrs or so, US Senators were "elected" not by the people, but rather by the State Legislatures. The Constitution was amended in 1913, through the 17th Amendment, to change to a direct election (people) to fill the office.

Interestingly enough, that for the first 100 or so years of our history, Presidential candidates (or technically, the states "electors") were likewise not chosen by popular vote in most states, but rather through the state's legislatures as well. In fact, the Constitution leaves the question of how a state chooses their presidential electors solely to the States. A state could choose their electors based on a game of tiddly-winks and it would be Constitutional. It's just that today, all states have chosen to use the popular vote totals, but most retain the right to override that system, in case of emergency. (You might remember that when Florida's elector situation was in question back in 2000, they were only about 10 days away from enacting a provision in the Florida Constitution allowing the legislature to choose the electors.)
 
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Actually no, citizen representation in the Senate WAS NOT, the "ORIGINAL" idea. You need to brush up a bit on your history there Mega.

For the first 125 yrs or so, US Senators were "elected" not by the people, but rather by the State Legislatures. The Constitution was amended in 1913, through the 17th Amendment, to change to a direct election (people) to fill the office.

Interestingly enough, that for the first 100 or so years of our history, Presidential candidates (or technically, the states "electors") were likewise not chosen by popular vote in most states, but rather through the state's legislatures as well. In fact, the Constitution leaves the question of how a state chooses their presidential electors solely to the States. A state could choose their electors based on a game of tiddly-winks and it would be Constitutional. It's just that today, all states have chosen to use the popular vote totals, but most retain the right to override that system, in case of emergency. (You might remember that when Florida's elector situation was in question back in 2000, they were only about 10 days away from enacting a provision in the Florida Constitution allowing the legislature to choose the electors.)
I've been a long time supporter of repealing the 17th amendment.
 
I have no strong feelings one way or the other.

I am interested in the reasoning behind your advocacy of 17th A repeal though.

The bicameral legislature was designed originally to be a lower house (House of Representatives) and an upper house (Senate). The lower house was beholden to the people and the upper beholden to the states. When the state legislature selects their representative to the Senate, that Senator is not beholden to anyone but the state legislature. The Senator was supposed to be above being a simple whore for a vote like the Representative was and to have a more Federalist system. State legislatures could recall a Senator if the Senator defied their wishes or voted against the interest of the state. We can do this with recall referendums, but that is a much more difficult process.

It was a way to help ensure that the states were more powerful than the Federal government. The senators were originally intended to be thought of as 'ambassadors from the state' and the varying make ups of the two houses of congress were to serve as yet another check on the general or Federal government.

Since the 17th amendment, the two chambers have slowly merged into very similar entities. The founders wanted very different makeups of the chambers for a reason.

In addition to Madison’s convention notes, The Federalist Papers, another compilation of the thoughts of the Founders, can be used as a source from which to discern original intent. In Federalist No. 39, Madison explained the combination of both national and federal characteristics contained in the Constitution. One of the national features of the Constitution was the provision that the House be elected directly by the people. He explained:

The House of Representatives will derive its powers from the people of America; and the people will be represented in the same proportion and on the same principle as they are in the legislature of a particular State. So far the government is national, not federal.52

The provision of Senate election by state legislatures. however, was one of the facets of federal character:

The Senate, on the other hand, will derive its powers from the States as political and coequal societies; and these will be represented on the principle of equality in the Senate, as they now are in the existing Congress. So far the government is federal, not national.53
 
The bicameral legislature was designed originally to be a lower house (House of Representatives) and an upper house (Senate). The lower house was beholden to the people and the upper beholden to the states. When the state legislature selects their representative to the Senate, that Senator is not beholden to anyone but the state legislature. The Senator was supposed to be above being a simple whore for a vote like the Representative was and to have a more Federalist system. State legislatures could recall a Senator if the Senator defied their wishes or voted against the interest of the state. We can do this with recall referendums, but that is a much more difficult process.

It was a way to help ensure that the states were more powerful than the Federal government. The senators were originally intended to be thought of as 'ambassadors from the state' and the varying make ups of the two houses of congress were to serve as yet another check on the general or Federal government.

Since the 17th amendment, the two chambers have slowly merged into very similar entities. The founders wanted very different makeups of the chambers for a reason.

In addition to Madison’s convention notes, The Federalist Papers, another compilation of the thoughts of the Founders, can be used as a source from which to discern original intent. In Federalist No. 39, Madison explained the combination of both national and federal characteristics contained in the Constitution. One of the national features of the Constitution was the provision that the House be elected directly by the people. He explained:

The House of Representatives will derive its powers from the people of America; and the people will be represented in the same proportion and on the same principle as they are in the legislature of a particular State. So far the government is national, not federal.52

The provision of Senate election by state legislatures. however, was one of the facets of federal character:

The Senate, on the other hand, will derive its powers from the States as political and coequal societies; and these will be represented on the principle of equality in the Senate, as they now are in the existing Congress. So far the government is federal, not national.53

What he said.
 
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