My theory on Russia.....

[OKSTATE1]

Putin was covering his bets. No way he wanted Trump in office, Trump meant the most massive build-up of the military not seen in decades in the US. No way Putin wanted this. I think if Russia is involved they were doing it to keep Trump from getting elected or even being impeached. I was born in 1961 so I remember the arms race and the Cold War. There is no way in hell Putin wants to see our military to grow and be better than theirs. Hillary meant weakness and pacification, Trump means strong military and lines drawn. I can not believe the whole country can not see this. Putin knew attaching Russia to Trump would harm him, he also knew he might be able to set up circumstances to get him impeached. Putin plays chess and we are playing checkers. They may have tried to rig the election but not like they think, and the dumb dems can not see Putin is playing them.

 

[davidallen]

Impressive gymnastics to try and get to a pro Trump position for an old dude.

 

[OKSTATE1]

Impressive gymnastics to try and get to a pro Trump position for an old dude.

So smart ass, tell me why Putin would be ok with the largest build up of the military possibly in US history? Try to spin that, you can not, and make fun of my age but having lived thru the Cold War no way Russia wants to get in an arms race with us again, it bankrupted them last time.

 

[CowboyJD]

Uh...no...I don't think so.

 

[davidallen]

So smart ass, tell me why Putin would be ok with the largest build up of the military possibly in US history? Try to spin that, you can not, and make fun of my age but having lived thru the Cold War no way Russia wants to get in an arms race with us again, it bankrupted them last time.

3 years your junior so the age thing is a joke on both of us...

In regards to your theory - Putin plays chess not checkers....

 

[Medic007]

I don't think Putin or the Russian State had anything to do with the hacking. I think it was an internal leak from someone in the DNC (maybe the murdered guy) to show the explicit screwing of Bernie Sanders, and as an attempt to stop the corrupt DNC and Hillary from winning White House power in response.

Which one seems more logical? How exactly would Putin benefit from Trump being elected? Or Hillary for that matter? Hillary had the reset button and Trump said he thinks a better relationship between Russia is better for the world. Obama just needed to wait until the election was over. All three positions seem conciliatory to me. But as you posted, only one of the three has advocated a huge military expansion. Hmmmmmmm.

 

[OKSTATE1]

Uh...no...I don't think so.

JD, you are seriously naive if you think Putin is ok with the Budet Trump has proposed for our military. Spin that JD, you can not. It makes no sense for Russia to want Trump, none. Russia may have the best military in the world when you consider the state of our military. We only have 3 battalions combat ready today. Putin does not want a Cold War, Hillary meant no Cold War.

 

[MegaPoke]

My Russia theory - they are exactly as big or small a problem as they've been for the last 20 years.

 

[OKSTATE1]

3 years your junior so the age thing is a joke on both of us...

In regards to your theory - Putin plays chess not checkers....

Exactly, you can not call my position wrong.

 

[davidallen]

Exactly, you can not call my position wrong.

I just did. It is ridiculous.... let me do it again: YOU ARE WRONG

 

[davidallen]

Spin that JD, you can not.

The only spin here is yours. Like a child's top...

 

[davidallen]

I don't think Putin or the Russian State had anything to do with the hacking. I think it was an internal leak from someone in the DNC (maybe the murdered guy) to show the explicit screwing of Bernie Sanders, and as an attempt to stop the corrupt DNC and Hillary from winning White House power in response.

Which one seems more logical? How exactly would Putin benefit from Trump being elected? Or Hillary for that matter? Hillary had the reset button and Trump said he thinks a better relationship between Russia is better for the world. Obama just needed to wait until the election was over. All three positions seem conciliatory to me. But as you posted, only one of the three has advocated a huge military expansion. Hmmmmmmm.

Interesting theory... without even speculation or rumor to back it up.

 

[OKSTATE1]

I just did. It is ridiculous.... let me do it again: YOU ARE WRONG

No I am not, all you can do is call me wrong. Putin does not want to see the largest buildup of the military in US history, Trump has stated he wants the US to have the best fighting force it has had in history. One of my statements is an undisputed fact because Trump has said it and he wants the budet. The other as it regards Putin and his desire to see a weak US military is definitely a fact. As I said originally, IF Russia tried to the rig election they did not try to push it Trump's way, they wanted Hillary in and they wanted to damage Trump thru association. Nothing else makes sense. I am not looking at this to defend Trump, I am looking at this if I was Putin, and I would not want the US building up its military to unforeseen heights.

 

[Medic007]

Interesting theory... without even speculation or rumor to back it up.

Oh there's definitely speculation and rumor to back it up. You know how to Google. It's as credible as the Lefty manufactured Russian bullshit at this point. Maybe even moreso considering Debbie Whatsherface had to resign from the DNC and whatnot.

 

[CowboyJD]

You seem to have your mind made up beyond any willingness to even consider any contrary opinion.

So I tkink I'll stick with no...I don't think so. I'm perfectly fine with you thinking that is naive.

 

[OKSTATE1]

You seem to have your mind made up beyond any willingness to even consider any contrary opinion.

So I tkink I'll stick with no...I don't think so. I'm perfectly fine with you thinking that is naive.

I am not stating this as a fact, my original statement said if. But if you believe the Russians tried to rig the election like some do, and you assume that, and you are Putin, knowing Trumps desire to build the military, which way do you push the election?

I have no idea if they tried to rig it, but a bunch of people do think they tried to rig it.

I say if they tried, they tried to push it to Hillary. If you assume Russia tried to rig it, do you think they tried to push it Trump's way? If so, I would love to hear the logic because for me none exists, Hillary represented a weak military.

You are just saying wrong. Wrong to what? Russia did not get involved in our election? That they did try to influence it and wanted Trump in? If they did want him in, why?

That is the conversation I originally tried to frame before some dismissed me as stating my theory as a fact and just cheerleading for Trump.

This is about Russia and motivation, no one has answered this question seriously as to what Russia's motives were if they think they tried to rig it. My theory is the only reasonable one I can come up with, I am all ears for a better theory other than "wrong".

 

[GunsOfFrankEaton]

This much we know beyond a shadow of a doubt: the only known election riggers are those who rigged against Bernie Sanders, the same people making these wild and unfounded accusations against Trump.

 

[GunsOfFrankEaton]

No I am not, all you can do is call me wrong. Putin does not want to see the largest buildup of the military in US history, Trump has stated he wants the US to have the best fighting force it has had in history. One of my statements is an undisputed fact because Trump has said it and he wants the budet. The other as it regards Putin and his desire to see a weak US military is definitely a fact. As I said originally, IF Russia tried to the rig election they did not try to push it Trump's way, they wanted Hillary in and they wanted to damage Trump thru association. Nothing else makes sense. I am not looking at this to defend Trump, I am looking at this if I was Putin, and I would not want the US building up its military to unforeseen heights.

The Russians definitely wanted Clinton. They get more servers in bathroom closets via that route.

 

[Tulsaaggieson]

If HC was elected Russia would be gearing up for an invasion in the Ukraine right now. At this point I think they are reassessing and have been caught with their pants down on Trump as well. Ostate's theory is compelling in that it would be a move in the mold of Russian espionage, beyond that it's hard to say. I'm not fully convinced yet the Russians were the ones to hack anything, but what we do know is HC and the Democratic party have no business in IT security and therefore no business in running the US government.

 

[Been Jammin]

How exactly would Putin benefit from Trump being elected?

1). He HATES Hillary. Screwing her over makes perfect sense.
2). Trump is not a politician. He has a learning curve, which makes the country less stable (in theory). He will be too busy setting his house in order to pay much attention to Russia during the early part of his time as POTUS.
3). Trump is disliked/hated by approximately half of the US population. His presidency will keep the country divided and may destabilize the US.
4). He is a nationalist, not a globalist. He will put so much energy into making America great again, and will be focused on isolating the US from the rest of the world. This will allow Russia to do what they want with less interference from the US.
5). Military buildup does not scare Russia in the least. They are one of 2 countries (China) that already has the military number and nuke numbers to go toe to toe with the US in a ground war or nuclear war. Military build up is not going to change that.

 

[CBradSmith]

My Russia theory - they are exactly as big or small a problem as they've been for the last 20 years.

End thread.

*btw - you may find it disconcerting to find that the Statue of liberty is kaput.

 

[Medic007]

1). He HATES Hillary. Screwing her over makes perfect sense

Why? Because she meddled in his election?

2). Trump is not a politician. He has a learning curve, which makes the country less stable (in theory). He will be too busy setting his house in order to pay much attention to Russia during the early part of his time as POTUS.

Nope. Trump is not a one man show.

3). Trump is disliked/hated by approximately half of the US population. His presidency will keep the country divided and may destabilize the US.

You really should stop watching CNN. This kind of stuff is laughable.

4). He is a nationalist, not a globalist. He will put so much energy into making America great again, and will be focused on isolating the US from the rest of the world. This will allow Russia to do what they want with less interference from the US.

Nope again. Exactly how is Trump planning on "isolating" the US?

5). Military buildup does not scare Russia in the least. They are one of 2 countries (China) that already has the military number and nuke numbers to go toe to toe with the US in a ground war or nuclear war. Military build up is not going to change that.

They are quite bothered by NATO and the US putting troops in eastern Europe. I wonder why?

Again, where is the proof that Russia was able to influence the election? Why have the Dems not entertained a leak from within? Or maybe they did and we've seen it taken care of and haven't connected the dots because of the #RUSSIA! smokescreen? This is certainly as plausible as Russian hacking. Why did the Dems not let the FBI forensically investigate their hardware?

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

The simplest explanation is usually best: Putin and the other higher ups in Russia, like most everyone else in the world, expected Hillary to win. He wanted to destabilize her Presidency before it ever began.

 

[Been Jammin]

Why? Because she meddled in his election?


Nope. Trump is not a one man show.


You really should stop watching CNN. This kind of stuff is laughable.


Nope again. Exactly how is Trump planning on "isolating" the US?


They are quite bothered by NATO and the US putting troops in eastern Europe. I wonder why?

Again, where is the proof that Russia was able to influence the election? Why have the Dems not entertained a leak from within? Or maybe they did and we've seen it taken care of and haven't connected the dots because of the #RUSSIA! smokescreen? This is certainly as plausible as Russian hacking. Why did the Dems not let the FBI forensically investigate their hardware?

I didn't say I believed any of the things I posted. I don't know if any of them are true or not. I don't know if Putin did, or did not, interfere in favor of Trump/against Hillary. But, you asked why he would be inclined to do so. I gave you 5 reasons why he might have thought it was a good idea. Just because those things didn't (haven't yet?) come to fruition, does not mean that Putin wasn't thinking along those lines. @Marshal Jim Duncan posted a 6th realistic reason above.

 

[Headhunter]

I'll throw my tin hat into the ring.

This has all been an Obama set up from the beginning so if Hillary lost they could de-legitimize or even remove Trump before his set's fire to everything Obama.

Everyone knows all the major players are hacking all the other major players so getting evidence of hacking is easy. International businesses talk with people from all around the world all the time so finding someone in Trump world who talked to a Russian is not that hard.

Getting your sycophants in the media to publish leaks and false flag information is also easy. They may or may not know they are publishing fake news, it doesn't matter they'll do it.

Does anyone really think Obama and Valerie Jarrett are living together so her and Michelle can shop together. They are pulling the strings of the bureaucratic plants buried all over the federal government in order to somehow preserve their false belief that Obama has this great legacy they need to preserve. I never said they weren't delusional but they are also devious and cunning and have the liberal belief that morals are situational if it gets them desired result.

 

[Been Jammin]

This has all been an Obama set up from the beginning so if Hillary lost they could de-legitimize or even remove Trump before his set's fire to everything Obama.

Stopped reading after this paragraph. No one, including Obama, thought that there was a chance Trump would become president, prior to election day.

 

[Medic007]

I didn't say I believed any of the things I posted. I don't know if any of them are true or not. I don't know if Putin did, or did not, interfere in favor of Trump/against Hillary. But, you asked why he would be inclined to do so. I gave you 5 reasons why he might have thought it was a good idea. Just because those things didn't (haven't yet?) come to fruition, does not mean that Putin wasn't thinking along those lines. @Marshal Jim Duncan posted a 6th realistic reason above.

Roger. Or it was a leak from inside the DNC who was pissed about the big Bernie screw over.

 

[GunsOfFrankEaton]

Stopped reading after this paragraph. No one, including Obama, thought that there was a chance Trump would become president, prior to election day.

Wrong. All of their public declarations to the contrary, smart Democrats knew damn good and well there was a chance Trump could win. All of the " there is just no way that Trump can win!", was, to some extent, manufactured narrative and fake news to keep the outsider from busting up there playhouse. I predicted on this board that Trump would, in fact, win the election and smart Democrats saw the very same dynamics at play that I did.

 

[OKSTATE1]

This has turned in to a good conversation.

 

[Rdcldad]

i don't think this russian thing matters

read one article on mexican influence on our election and it gives great perspective on what influence really is

what matters is that our asshole AG thinks it's OK to blatantly lie under oath to a united states senator.

you can't be AG and perjur yourself
sessions is just another nutria eating swamptard

two steps forward one step back...

 

[aix_xpert]

When the DNC was hacked and Hillary hadn't yet actually lost the election, there were many in the intelligence community who had the following hypothesis which has somehow died on the vine. They stated on numerous talk shows that the Russians were likely looking for any details available regarding Trump. They postulated that the Russians have dossiers on Hillary and other major political figures, but Trump was a complete unknown politically and wouldn't have been on the Russian intelligence radar. I'm less inclined to believe that Putin picked sides, as he understands that the US isn't a dictatorship and even the president has a limit on his overall power. I'm also not convinced that the actual leaked emails came from the Russians, or at least not the 'state-sponsored' Russians, as those were shown to have been captured through a run-of-the-mill phishing campaign that are run by thousands of 'hackers' all over the world.

 

[Rdcldad]

russia is the dnc boogeyman
he's their scapegoat

and why this sessions thing is particularly infuriating

 

[GunsOfFrankEaton]

The manufactured Russia narrative is all the actual proven riggers have to soften the lingering pain of their repudiation and rejection last November. It is actually funny watching them try to gin up something for which there is absolutely zero foundation.

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

i don't think this russian thing matters

read one article on mexican influence on our election and it gives great perspective on what influence really is

what matters is that our asshole AG thinks it's OK to blatantly lie under oath to a united states senator.

you can't be AG and perjur yourself
sessions is just another nutria eating swamptard

two steps forward one step back...

Absolute nonsense.

 

[Been Jammin]

The manufactured Russia narrative is all the actual proven riggers have to soften the lingering pain of their repudiation and rejection last November. It is actually funny watching them try to gin up something for which there is absolutely zero foundation.

BS. You have no idea of what is, and what is not, fact when it comes to Russia. You want your above paragraph to be factual, but you don't know any more than anyone else, who is not part of the intelligence community/administration. You might be right and it is all much ado about nothing. But, you don't know that to be true.

 

[GunsOfFrankEaton]

BS. You have no idea of what is, and what is not, fact when it comes to Russia. You want your above paragraph to be factual, but you don't know any more than anyone else, who is not part of the intelligence community/administration. You might be right and it is all much ado about nothing. But, you don't know that to be true.

Yes, I do know what I am talking about. If the Democrats had evidence they would have used it to keep Trump from getting elected in the first place. And if the Democrats had evidence they would certainly be using it right now. Show me the evidence and we'll have something to talk about. If the Democrats had actual hard evidence they would be using it right now in a very specific way to stop the Trump administration in its tracks from the very beginning. Pretend like you are from Missouri and show me.

 

[Rdcldad]

Absolute nonsense.

i appreciate your comments do you have anything to contribute?

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

i appreciate your comments do you have anything to contribute?

 

[Been Jammin]

Yes, I do know what I am talking about. If the Democrats had evidence they would have used it to keep Trump from getting elected in the first place. And if the Democrats had evidence they would certainly be using it right now. Show me the evidence and we'll have something to talk about. If the Democrats had actual hard evidence they would be using it right now in a very specific way to stop the Trump administration in its tracks from the very beginning. Pretend like you are from Missouri and show me.

More BS. Just because they can't prove anything right now, or haven't come forward with proof, does not make your claims correct.

 

[Rdcldad]

does this mean your original nonsense reply to my comments were meant to be construed that sessions just forgot he met with the russian ambassador?