midterms
- Thread starter Rdcldad
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***Doesn’t know why I’m back In Oklahoma, uses weak troll personal attacks***
You fit in right in with righties on this board lol.
Carry on.
I voted for Obama in 2008.
And I used to get into heated debates with lots of “righties” on this board.
Question: can a person still be a “rightie” if they voted for Hope and Change in 2008?
I was a huge Obama supporter, and voted for John Kerry in 04.
My post has more to do with the fact that several posters on this board can’t get past my personal life as a means of their amusement. Would you agree that’s pretty chickenshit?
Then why isn't their home country's economy booming and why wouldn't their home country be fighting for them to stay so they can keep their own economy busting at the seam?
There's a lot more to welfare than just social security. For example, some estimates state that over 60% of Houston elementary students can't speak basic english. How does catering our public schools to teaching in Spanish and remedializing lessons to meet the needs of non-english speaking children assist in the development of the native born children in the same district. IMO, this is actually the number one reason for the decline of our education system as ranked internationally.
As for labor, I've been unequivocally against the importing of low-skilled labor to reduce or maintain low cost wages in various labor intensive industries. We can't complain about the wealth imbalance in our country, then simultaneously support programs whose sole purpose is to artificially deflate wages for the lower classes. I've never understood how Dems can be on both sides of this argument and not even contemplate the inherent conflict.
As for labor, I've been unequivocally against the importing of low-skilled labor to reduce or maintain low cost wages in various labor intensive industries. We can't complain about the wealth imbalance in our country, then simultaneously support programs whose sole purpose is to artificially deflate wages for the lower classes. I've never understood how Dems can be on both sides of this argument and not even contemplate the inherent conflict.
It transfers the "tit" from industry (R/D/I/Lib) to the taxpayer; time to wise up.
http://nfwm.org/education-center/farm-worker-issues/farm-workers-immigration/
“While farm workers run the gamut of being U.S. citizens, legal permanent residents, seasonal laborers on special guest worker visas, or undocumented workers, most are affected by immigration status; it is estimated that at least 6 out of 10 of our country’s farm workers are undocumented (Southern Poverty Law Center). The vast majority of workers–78%, according to the most recent National Agricultural Workers Survey– is foreign-born and crossed a border to get here (NAWS, Farmworker Justice).”
SPLC is a leftist front group that outlived it’s useful purpose by about 4 decades. Nobody is buying the sh*t you still continue to peddle after many years. Try again.
Why would I trust a national survey based on SPLC data? I realize why you do. It furthers your agenda. Why would I?
Am I the only one who has a problem with high skilled immigrants being used to depress wages?
I know the facts behind immigration's role in supporting a number of labor intensive industries. I don't need you to quote wikis to me. I do find it amazing that you avoid actually addressing the real question in my post though. As a lib, how do you reconcile the lack of income equality and wealth distribution with the importation of cheap labor, which clearly deflates wages for the lower classes.
What's really amazing is any logical person would expect that the Dems (the party of the 'common' man and unions) would be the anti-immigrant and that Repubs (the party of let's make businesses more money) would be pro-immigration.
I have a problem with any immigrant who's only purprose is to depress local wages, whether that's at the bottom of the labor pool where it is most prevalent, or in the middle and upper class with the importation of skilled Asian workers to replace American IT positions. But then again, I've clearly stated that I'm not pro-immigration, and have spelled out a number of logical reasons as to why. What I don't see much of is why some are pro-immigration beyond "it's the right thing to do" or that without them we'd have wage (and thus price) inflation.
"only purpose" - grossly over simplifies reality....
The foreign born doctors who provide services in rural communities - is their only purpose to undercut US doctors wages?
The migrant farm worker - legal or no - is it their purpose or are they responsible for the low wage offered by the farmer who is trying to maximize their profits?
Was it Tyson Foods or the shift workers from Mexico who made it their only purpose to displace native Alabamans in the factories?
Putting the honus on the immigrant for wages or availability of talent is just overly simplistic.
I assume you aren't exclusively blaming the immigrant, but it is interesting the language we use to describe this problem almost always blames the individual immigrant rather than the economics that enable the whole thing including the businesses and professionals involved.
I don't blame the immigrant. I blame the immigration policy that brought in individuals who will gladly accept subservient wages in order to allow businesses to pay a reduced labor wage. This isn't about the people. Its about the policy.
