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They do, but they are also given due process to make sure that is what has actually happened.......I don't support President Trump, but if McCabe did do that he needs to be punished, but, it needs to be looked at by a neutral party. President Trump's tweets seemed to encourage this very thing, that needs to be looked at. But, the bottom line is it doesn't t matter who the President is, if McCabe did something that deserved this, it has to happen
This is from the IG report. Not just neutral, appointed by Obama.
 
The entire reason given for the need to appoint a second Special Counsel and a Senate Intel. committee investigation into the FBI was because the DOJ IG was biased. So it is not biased now? all of a sudden when it comes to a conclusion you agree with .....
The seeking of a second special prosecutor is due to the Congress being denied the documents they seek to conduct their oversight into the DOJ and FBI. A special prosecutor can get those unredacted and embargoed documents as well as indict and prosecute which the Congress cannot do.
 







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The seeking of a second special prosecutor is due to the Congress being denied the documents they seek to conduct their oversight into the DOJ and FBI. A special prosecutor can get those unredacted and embargoed documents as well as indict and prosecute which the Congress cannot do.
OIG can't prosecute either.
 
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The entire reason given for the need to appoint a second Special Counsel and a Senate Intel. committee investigation into the FBI was because the DOJ IG was biased. So it is not biased now? all of a sudden when it comes to a conclusion you agree with .....
Nope. Not even close. Understanding the role and limitations of the OIG would help you.
 
The entire reason given for the need to appoint a second Special Counsel and a Senate Intel. committee investigation into the FBI was because the DOJ IG was biased. So it is not biased now? all of a sudden when it comes to a conclusion you agree with .....
But Horowitz... or am I confusing the twists and turns of this 4-D chess match?
 
I don't support President Trump, but if McCabe did do that he needs to be punished, but, it needs to be looked at by a neutral party.

Are you saying all federal employees who are terminated should have their cases examined by a neutral party or just this particular federal employee? What about all other employees in the country?

Is McCabe precluded from filing a lawsuit if he believes he was wrongfully terminated?
 
Are you saying all federal employees who are terminated should have their cases examined by a neutral party or just this particular federal employee? What about all other employees in the country?

Is McCabe precluded from filing a lawsuit if he believes he was wrongfully terminated?
Nearly any employee terminated for cause does in fact have civil recourse if they believe that termination was wrongful. As a civil servant, McCabe can avail himself of an appeal. The FBI has a lot of latitude in what they can consider violation of of policy so likely this will end up in court where McCabe will argue that Trumps public pressure amounted to violation of his Due Process rights.

Given the situation at the FBI this can't be something that Wray is looking forward to. Better have some damn strong evidence of McCabes violation of policy/law.
 
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They do, but they are also given due process to make sure that is what has actually happened.......I don't support President Trump, but if McCabe did do that he needs to be punished, but, it needs to be looked at by a neutral party. President Trump's tweets seemed to encourage this very thing, that needs to be looked at. But, the bottom line is it doesn't t matter who the President is, if McCabe did something that deserved this, it has to happen


neutral party because some fbi peon got fired by the head of the DOJ?

i’m sorry but colonels aren’t getting much traction against 3star general equivalents

shit roles downhill
 
The FBI has a lot of latitude in what they can consider violation of of policy so likely this will end up in court where McCabe will argue that Trumps public pressure amounted to violation of his Due Process rights.
Hmmmm. So Trump and his political allies can pressure the FBI and DOJ to fire McCabe but Obama and his political allies couldn't pressure the FBI and DOJ to nerf the Hillary criminal investigation careless email matter. Sounds like some good logic.
 
Have you read the IG report? Just because he was fired today for lying about leaks doesn't mean that's the only issue regarding his conduct at the FBI. If you have read it, got a link to help out?
You are correct that getting fired isn't the same as proving him innocent of the conspiracies, but again his firing is only proof that Session found his lack of candor a firable offence.
 
It is awesome that you give credibility to a dude with a camera and a mic (well that and a YouTube account) over actual journalists.

Like actual journalist Andrea Mitchell?



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Any time you see a report from Andrea Mitchell (especially one defending unelected bureaucrats who became rich off taxpayers) -- always remember who Andrea is married to.



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this tool taking the moral high ground to rain condemnation and promulagate virtue is rich

seth rich




just trying to stir up the resistance - which has been trained to think this is just a political attack.

that’s a key element to the “insurance plan.” if things go to shit for the conspirators, they will actively encourage civil unrest.
 
just trying to stir up the resistance - which has been trained to think this is just a political attack.

that’s a key element to the “insurance plan.” if things go to shit for the conspirators, they will actively encourage civil unrest.


political attack?
that ship sailed when they played. the mueller card


nah man bloodless coup level

i agree people need to be put on trial
 
Like actual journalist Andrea Mitchell?



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Any time you see a report from Andrea Mitchell (especially one defending unelected bureaucrats who became rich off taxpayers) -- always remember who Andrea is married to.



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Andrea Mitchell is married to (((Greenspan))) who is a literal Ayn Rand disciple. I forgot is Ayn Rand still good or have we decided she is too (((global)))
 
You are correct that getting fired isn't the same as proving him innocent of the conspiracies, but again his firing is only proof that Session found his lack of candor a firable offence.
Did somebody suggest he was fired for conspiracies? If so, I missed it.
 
Nearly any employee terminated for cause does in fact have civil recourse if they believe that termination was wrongful. As a civil servant, McCabe can avail himself of an appeal. The FBI has a lot of latitude in what they can consider violation of of policy so likely this will end up in court where McCabe will argue that Trumps public pressure amounted to violation of his Due Process rights.

Given the situation at the FBI this can't be something that Wray is looking forward to. Better have some damn strong evidence of McCabes violation of policy/law.

I agree with most of what you said, which is exactly my point. McCabe’s case is not done yet, unless he wants to be. OK, he was fired. Yippee. Now let’s see what happens next!
 
Nearly any employee terminated for cause does in fact have civil recourse if they believe that termination was wrongful. As a civil servant, McCabe can avail himself of an appeal. The FBI has a lot of latitude in what they can consider violation of of policy so likely this will end up in court where McCabe will argue that Trumps public pressure amounted to violation of his Due Process rights.

Given the situation at the FBI this can't be something that Wray is looking forward to. Better have some damn strong evidence of McCabes violation of policy/law.

I reread our exchange and now understand why you wrote what you did. My overall point is that if McCabe wants a hearing in front of a neutral person, it’s there for him outside of a civil service process. And frankly, I’d sue Trump personally for most of the value of the pension. Running your mouth publicly about a personnel matter is generally ill advised.
 
meh

you don’t win this game by worrying about the high road
Haha. For the record, based upon what I know about this, I’m glad he’s gone. But on many occasions, Trump makes himself vulnerable because of his inability to STFU. For example, he called one lady a liar because she said he groped her umteen years ago. The statute of limitations prevented any criminal investigation or punishment, but instead of simply stating that he denied any wrongdoing, he calls her a liar. Presto! Now she can file a defamation suit against him, which she does. It just didn’t have to be that way.
 
you right

he could have simply gone back to new york let lying ted and little marco fight it out

shame davidallan gets to call him mr president

What did Ted lie about?

Now we do know the esteemed POTUS made **** up about Cruz's dad.

You morons had better learn to powder Ted Cruz's hiney. He's one of little hands Donald's strongest allies in the Senate.
 
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no respect for the office or democratic process?
Did you ask me about the person of the office or process?

High esteem for the office. Respect for the process even when I disagree with the outcome. The current occupant is a narcissistic ass.
 
Didn't McCabe once say that if he goes down he's going to take a lot of people with him? I hope the bird chirps.
 
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