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[N. Pappagiorgio]

Please make the winning stop. It’s wearing me out.
Supreme Court win
Tax bill win
Record stock market numbers
New home sales up bigly
Giving federal land back to the people of Utah.

I could go on but I’m very tired.

 

[davidallen]

Please make the winning stop. It’s wearing me out.
Supreme Court win
Tax bill win
Record stock market numbers
New home sales up bigly
Giving federal land back to the people of Utah.

I could go on but I’m very tired.

Lol... you could go on but well there really isn't much to talk about. No tax bill yet. No wall. One SCOTUS appt. Continued growth in the stock market (hoooray he didn't **** that up). No indictments (except those 3 bit players). No sexual harassment charges (in the last couple of months at least). No losses in the courts over things like the immigrant bans (oh wait). I could go on, but you get the point. Lordy lordy you are easy to please!

 

[SMemmett]

I could go on but I’m very tired.

Too much jerking off? Gets me sleepy too.

 

[long-duc-dong]

Too much jerking off? Gets me sleepy too.

Sounds about right.

 

[N. Pappagiorgio]

Lol... you could go on but well there really isn't much to talk about. No tax bill yet. No wall. One SCOTUS appt. Continued growth in the stock market (hoooray he didn't **** that up). No indictments (except those 3 bit players). No sexual harassment charges (in the last couple of months at least). No losses in the courts over things like the immigrant bans (oh wait). I could go on, but you get the point. Lordy lordy you are easy to please!

Glad to see you are on board!

 

[N. Pappagiorgio]

Too much jerking off? Gets me sleepy too.

Dude, I’m as old as @davidallen

 

[davidallen]

Dude, I’m as old as @davidallen

Thankfully we have @cactusjackosu ....

 

[Medic007]

No tax bill yet.

It's on its way.

One SCOTUS appt.

Well damn. How many openings have there been? Like 9 or so? F'in slacker.

Continued growth in the stock market

Definitely.

No indictments

But the FBI is sure starting to look shady these days.

No sexual harassment charges

Except for, well, all those douchebags in Congress and Hollywood...

No losses in the courts over things like the immigrant bans

You might avoid today's news brother david. The High Court said ban on.

 

[davidallen]

I can't even get a days good work in without you guys ****ing it all up can I?

 

[davidallen]

Tap the brakes sparky... Not a ruling in favor. Nice try goat ****er.

 

[Headhunter]

Tap the brakes sparky... Not a ruling in favor. Nice try goat ****er.

Huh? Injunction lifted. That's not a ruling in favor?

I guess in liberal goat ****er world you still have hope the injunction will be reinstated.

 

[MegaPoke]

Please make the winning stop. It’s wearing me out.
Supreme Court win
Tax bill win
Record stock market numbers
New home sales up bigly
Giving federal land back to the people of Utah.

I could go on but I’m very tired.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

Fail on wall? Check.

Fail on China? Check.

Fail on health care? Check.

Fail on infrastructure? Check.

Fail on deficit? Check.

Not one legislative accomplishment, unprecedented criminality in his inner circle, our allies hate him and Putin loves him. This thread will age well.

 

[Rdcldad]

nice to see 1% milk is kosher in schools again

my kids wouldn't drink the white water

 

[wyomingosualum]

Fail on China? Check.

Fail on health care? Check.

Re: China. Do you mean them not applying sufficient pressure on North Korea or something else?

Re: health care. Not sure I’d bring up that subject if I were you. Somebody shit the bed on that, but it wasn’t Trump. Do agree it’s time for somebody to change the sheets, though.

 

[Headhunter]

Nothing makes me laugh more than left wing nuts hand wringing over the deficit.

Obama grew the deficit more than all other Presidents COMBINED! Now all the sudden 1.5 trillion is a national tragedy. Hypocrites.

BTW when was the last time any of these economic predictions by the CBO or any other outfit was accurate?

 

[CowboyJD]

Nothing makes me laugh more than left wing nuts hand wringing over the deficit.

Obama grew the deficit more than all other Presidents COMBINED! Now all the sudden 1.5 trillion is a national tragedy. Hypocrites.

BTW when was the last time any of these economic predictions by the CBO or any other outfit was accurate?

At the same time, people no longer giving a crap about the deficit after years of hysterical hand wringing over the issue makes me laugh just about as much.

Hypocrites indeed.

When you point your finger at someone else, three others on your hand are pointing squarely at you.

 

[CowboyJD]

Of the list:

Supreme Court win
Tax bill win
Record stock market numbers
New home sales up bigly
Giving federal land back to the people of Utah.

I’m in on three (SC, stock market, new home sales), pretty ambivalent on one (monument park shrinkage), and taking a wait and see position on three tax bill.

 

[Ostatedchi]

We need to reduce the deficit. The best way to do that is with a thriving economy and some good fiscal restraint (not something congress is known for).

So, if this tax cut drives the economy, then I can see it helping out in the long run, just as what happened under Clinton.

 

[GunsOfFrankEaton]

 

[Been Jammin]

We need to reduce the deficit. The best way to do that is with a thriving economy and some good fiscal restraint (not something congress is known for).

So, if this tax cut drives the economy, then I can see it helping out in the long run, just as what happened under Clinton.

Aren't all projections that the new tax plan will significantly grow the deficit? Is anyone disputing that line of thinking?

 

[Ostatedchi]

I'm not familiar with their economy projection and assumptions. My opinion is that whatever they are, are wrong based on how inaccurate they historically are.

 

[Ostatedchi]

I will point out that a tax plan doesn't increase the deficit. Spending increases the deficit.

Reduce taxes to spur the economy in conjunction with tighter spending is the solution.

 

[Been Jammin]

I will point out that a tax plan doesn't increase the deficit. Spending increases the deficit.

Well, it certainly contributes if Estate Tax goes away and corporate tax decreases, resulting in less money coming in on an annual basis.

On the one hand, you have the above, which clearly results in less money in.

On the other hand, you have... we are going to cut taxes...which will lead to less unemployment...which will lead to more spending....which will lead to an improved economy....which will result in more money coming in and reduce the deficit. There are a lot of steps that have to happen to decrease the deficit.

 

[Ostatedchi]

Well, it certainly contributes if Estate Tax goes away and corporate tax decreases, resulting in less money coming in on an annual basis.

On the one hand, you have the above, which clearly results in less money in.

On the other hand, you have... we are going to cut taxes...which will lead to less unemployment...which will lead to more spending....which will lead to an improved economy....which will result in more money coming in and reduce the deficit. There are a lot of steps that have to happen to decrease the deficit.

What part of my equation was wrong?
Cut taxes AND reduce spending.

I'd be willing to compromise on tax rates if the Dems were willing to actually compromise and cut federal spending. Not just reduce the rate of expansion. But actually tackle real spending. Of course, they never will. So the only side of the equation we have is tax rates.

 

[Been Jammin]

What part of my equation was wrong?
Cut taxes AND reduce spending.

I'd be willing to compromise on tax rates if the Dems were willing to actually compromise and cut federal spending. Not just reduce the rate of expansion. But actually tackle real spending. Of course, they never will. So the only side of the equation we have is tax rates.

I'm not saying you are wrong at all. Just saying that I am not in favor of the estate tax elimination, which is never going to help you and I, but will have a huge impact on Trump and his cronies.

I can see the logic behind the corporate tax cut, but can also see it having the opposite effect than the reasons they are telling us we need it. But, that is a wait and see type of situation.

As far as spending, I totally agree with you. Is Trump/the GOP doing anything to actually tackle real spending? (I'm asking, not being snarky).

 

[Ostatedchi]

I'm not saying you are wrong at all. Just saying that I am not in favor of the estate tax elimination, which is never going to help you and I, but will have a huge impact on Trump and his cronies.

I can see the logic behind the corporate tax cut, but can also see it having the opposite effect than the reasons they are telling us we need it. But, that is a wait and see type of situation.

As far as spending, I totally agree with you. Is Trump/the GOP doing anything to actually tackle real spending? (I'm asking, not being snarky).

Actually the estate tax would/could effect me greatly. What happens when dad dies and we go to inherit the family farm? Some of that farm has been in the family since the land run. None of it is liquid so how would we pay the estate taxes on the land, equipment, cattle and facilities? It would be enough to prevent us from keeping the farm intact. I find estate taxes offensive on their face. The taxes have already been paid on everything being inherited. Screw that.

I know the house is trying to cut spending. The GOP thin majority in the Senate doesn't seen to be able to get past the obstructionist Dems and more leftist Republicans to get anything meaningful done on the spending front.

 

[Been Jammin]

Actually the estate tax would/could effect me greatly. What happens when dad dies and we go to inherit the family farm? Some of that farm has been in the family since the land run. None of it is liquid so how would we pay the estate taxes on the land, equipment, cattle and facilities?

That must be quite a farm you have. My understanding is that the portion of the Tax Reform that involves the estate tax only applies to estates valued at more than 5.49 Million Dollars. (hence my comment about Trump and his buddies giving themselves a huge leg up).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nts-to-dump/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.76dd9201af2f

 

[Ostatedchi]

A small family farm of a few thousand acres, couple hundred head of cattle, combine, tractors, implements, barns, silos, houses... Yeah, could be pushing that number.

The same thing applies to almost any small business. If your practice was valued over that, do you think it would be right to tax your children for the assets you already were taxed on?

 

[07pilt]

A small family farm of a few thousand acres, couple hundred head of cattle, combine, tractors, implements, barns, silos, houses... Yeah, could be pushing that number.

The same thing applies to almost any small business. If your practice was valued over that, do you think it would be right to tax your children for the assets you already were taxed on?

Been Jammin, I am not a tax accountant or an attorney, but I feel like I need to step in here and advise you not to pay taxes on unrealized capital gains. It would be a tragedy if you were to preemptively pay capital gains taxes on your assets and then turn around and have your heirs pay an estate tax. Like Ostatedchi has pointed out that would be quite senseless.

 

[aix_xpert]

You can't cut spending, because as soon as you do, the media will run out one of the impacted people to tell you how terrible these cuts are and how they are the end of the world. Trump cuts ACA subsidies to insurers (why again is the government in the business of guaranteeing profits for private business?) but the message isn't about the billions saved, its about the potential hikes these firms will now enact in order to actually recoup the REAL individual cost for ACA. But of course everyone knows that if you don't subsidize at that scale and let individuals actually see the real costs of the ACA, no one in their right mind would support it. But this is true for everything. You want to cut oil company subsidies, then people will complain that gas prices will rise. You want to cut the EPA budget, then OMG, the world will end...Even the stupid stuff in the top 100 boondoggle document can't get changed because it impacts somebody.

 

[07pilt]

You can't cut spending, because as soon as you do, the media will run out one of the impacted people to tell you how terrible these cuts are and how they are the end of the world. Trump cuts ACA subsidies to insurers (why again is the government in the business of guaranteeing profits for private business?) but the message isn't about the billions saved, its about the potential hikes these firms will now enact in order to actually recoup the REAL individual cost for ACA. But of course everyone knows that if you don't subsidize at that scale and let individuals actually see the real costs of the ACA, no one in their right mind would support it. But this is true for everything. You want to cut oil company subsidies, then people will complain that gas prices will rise. You want to cut the EPA budget, then OMG, the world will end...Even the stupid stuff in the top 100 boondoggle document can't get changed because it impacts somebody.

So are you predicting CHIP will get funded?

 

[Been Jammin]

You can't cut spending, because as soon as you do, the media will run out one of the impacted people to tell you how terrible these cuts are and how they are the end of the world. Trump cuts ACA subsidies to insurers (why again is the government in the business of guaranteeing profits for private business?) but the message isn't about the billions saved, its about the potential hikes these firms will now enact in order to actually recoup the REAL individual cost for ACA. But of course everyone knows that if you don't subsidize at that scale and let individuals actually see the real costs of the ACA, no one in their right mind would support it. But this is true for everything. You want to cut oil company subsidies, then people will complain that gas prices will rise. You want to cut the EPA budget, then OMG, the world will end...Even the stupid stuff in the top 100 boondoggle document can't get changed because it impacts somebody.

So, regardless of political party, we shouldn't expect anyone to help reduce the deficit by reducing spending?

Seems like one of Trump's big claims was that he was such an awesome businessman that he would take over the presidency and eliminate all the bad deals that are currently part of the federal government. No more paying 300 $ for a screw on a submarine. No more deals with other countries that are screwing the US.

So, is he going to get these things done or not? If so, how can you say that "you can't cut spending". If not, why did anyone buy into his BS?

 

[aix_xpert]

Seems like one of Trump's big claims was that he was such an awesome businessman that he would take over the presidency and eliminate all the bad deals that are currently part of the federal government. No more paying 300 $ for a screw on a submarine. No more deals with other countries that are screwing the US.

So, is he going to get these things done or not? If so, how can you say that "you can't cut spending". If not, why did anyone

I'm not saying I like it or support it. I'm just stating that the political climate of today does not allow for any government spending cuts without it immediately being framed as harmful to the American people. I'd hoped that Trump with his blunt and straight talk would at least be able to discuss the spending, but as the ACA repeal process has clearly shown, the media has zero interest in being fair and offering knowledge and instead simply highlights the negatives. Look at the example below from our favorite NBC news:

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...e-mandate-gop-tax-bill-could-have-big-n826441

It spent the first 10 paragraphs highlighting how this is terrible for the country. Yet no where does it say that that provision actually saves the US taxpayer $400 Billion over 10 years.

That said, Repubs aren't any better. I have no idea why we are increasing military spending by 10%, when in reality we should simply be seeing 4-5% cuts across the board (like almost every corporation has been doing since about 2009).

Just once I wish the media would give me just the facts from both sides and let me decide where I stand. But as long as the media wants to tell me how I should feel, I will likely feel the opposite.

 

[07pilt]

It spent the first 10 paragraphs highlighting how this is terrible for the country. Yet no where does it say that that provision actually saves the US taxpayer $400 Billion over 10 years.

Because it is unclear if that is true. It saves the federal government $400 billion over ten years which will be spent on tax cuts for owners of capital (which obviously could have been deficit financed or paid for by all the growth it will cause), but if insurance premiums go up 10% it is hard to say that taxpayers actually come out ahead (and if they do it is not by $400 billion).

 

[07pilt]

Just once I wish the media would give me just the facts from both sides and let me decide where I stand. But as long as the media wants to tell me how I should feel, I will likely feel the opposite.

Or just be a normal consumer of information that understands that you may have to read more than one article to get the full story on an issue?

 

[Headhunter]

At the same time, people no longer giving a crap about the deficit after years of hysterical hand wringing over the issue makes me laugh just about as much.

Hypocrites indeed.

When you point your finger at someone else, three others on your hand are pointing squarely at you.

Well if I had my way they'd slash the crap out spending. But with the messed people we have in Washington I'll take a small victory on taxes.

 

[ctdub]

Estate tax is pretty easy to avoid with a little planning.

 

[davidallen]

DJT showing signs of Low-T... too tired, too busy to fight those “lying bitches” in court. You know the 20 or so who accuse him of sexual harassment. You know the ones you guys wish had simply gone away. What a douchebag...

#groupies #amiright @MegaPoke ?

 

[MegaPoke]

DJT showing signs of Low-T... too tired, too busy to fight those “lying bitches” in court. You know the 20 or so who accuse him of sexual harassment. You know the ones you guys wish had simply gone away. What a douchebag...

#groupies #amiright @MegaPoke ?

Probably. So?