Your drone "follow your tv lockstep Ukraine is great Russia is bad" warmongering drama is what's redundant- show at least some creativity and individual thought for us huh? Anyone can repeat state run tv- Cmon dude
Macron Ater Call With Putin: Prepare For The Worst In Ukraine
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Then its hypocritical, and doesn't make the immoral act they are pointing out any less immoral. In fact I would say it is still incumbent upon America to point it out, and be a hypocrite.
Okay, that’s a valid point. I just disagree that it is a helpful thing, and is incredibly tone deaf for what the rest of the world will percieve.
How many millions has the US/US government saved and set on the path to lives not under tyrants? A daily basis? Where on a daily basis of killing people?
Where are your stats on the "million+" we have killed as well?
It does not sound to me to be a good tradeoff to kill a million people in order to save a million different people.
Wasn't Zalensky a "Comedian" before he was installed by Obama Biden and the DS in 2014? Dead serious I'm 90 Percent Sure he was- they laugh at how they can install just anyone- case in Point Jacinda Arden in NZ, Joe Biden in the USA et al
How many millions did Bush squares murder installing and taking down regimes that's didn't buy into the one world Govt? Obama? Don't think McCain and Romney wouldn't have been just as bad.
But OMB
But OMB
You are one seriously shallow dipshit. I get accused on being a Putin lover by a few on this board. You accuse we of being lockstep with Ukraine. You are completely off base dumbass. I am married to a Russian, lived and worked in Russia for several years and have a house in far east Russia. You are nothing more than a dense parrot. You come off as an uneducated redneck and you speak about creativity. The fun part is that you are not aware of how stupid you sound.
I'm going to call bullshit on any report or article that says we have to arbitrarily multiply reported numbers by two to four times and even that approach undercounts the number. (Arbitrarily) was my word)
So Caitlin is basing her theories on Nafeez Ahmed, who has this following entry in wiki (sorry that is all I can find right now). I'll keep looking, but yea okay I'm believing everything Nafeez said.
"Ahmed's later book, The War on Truth: 9/11, Disinformation and the Anatomy of Terrorism (2005), follows up from his first book, with a critical evaluation of the findings of the 9/11 Commission. In The War on Truth, he argues that the 9/11 attacks on New York City and Washington were facilitated due to US government relations with key state-sponsors of al-Qaeda in the Middle East and North Africa such as Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Azerbaijan and many others. The book was praised by commentator Yasmin Alibhai-Brown in The Independent: "In his disturbing and clearly evidenced book, The War on Truth, Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed traces the unholy games played with Islamicist terrorists by the US, and through acquiescence by the UK, flirting with them when it suited and then turning against them. Al-Qa'ida has been used as an instrument of western statecraft and for now is the enemy. Well, not quite. Pakistan's ISI is quite chummy with the Bin Laden groupies and, well, we have to keep Pakistan on side as they know so many of our secrets. So it goes on."[21] Midwest Book Review reckoned Ahmed's book as an "informed and informative reading for anyone studying international terrorism, national security, and the clandestine machinery of Western power".[22]"
But that's all you got PD, a Tweet referencing a guy who wrote a book basically saying that the US deserved 9/11?????? Whew, I was thinking you might have dredged up an article from Al Jezzera or Human Rights Watch.
"Ahmed's later book, The War on Truth: 9/11, Disinformation and the Anatomy of Terrorism (2005), follows up from his first book, with a critical evaluation of the findings of the 9/11 Commission. In The War on Truth, he argues that the 9/11 attacks on New York City and Washington were facilitated due to US government relations with key state-sponsors of al-Qaeda in the Middle East and North Africa such as Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Azerbaijan and many others. The book was praised by commentator Yasmin Alibhai-Brown in The Independent: "In his disturbing and clearly evidenced book, The War on Truth, Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed traces the unholy games played with Islamicist terrorists by the US, and through acquiescence by the UK, flirting with them when it suited and then turning against them. Al-Qa'ida has been used as an instrument of western statecraft and for now is the enemy. Well, not quite. Pakistan's ISI is quite chummy with the Bin Laden groupies and, well, we have to keep Pakistan on side as they know so many of our secrets. So it goes on."[21] Midwest Book Review reckoned Ahmed's book as an "informed and informative reading for anyone studying international terrorism, national security, and the clandestine machinery of Western power".[22]"
But that's all you got PD, a Tweet referencing a guy who wrote a book basically saying that the US deserved 9/11?????? Whew, I was thinking you might have dredged up an article from Al Jezzera or Human Rights Watch.
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simple question...why hasn't Ukraine bombed that convoy that is just outside Kiev and is 40 miles long. That looks to be the easiest target but not one mention of attacking it. Doesn't Ukraine have an air force? I'd be trying to blow that thing up from day one when they showed the world exactly where it was and how long it was.
Then you should know better than to post what you do- you know nothing if you don't understand the need for Trump to be brokering peace - loon
All they're going to do is piss off the Bear- they have zero chance to win and we have helped them get in this spot- the need to meet with the big dog and get what they can.
Their leaders have ran that country into the ground since 2014
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@windriverrange I respect you and your opinion too much to get into a pissing contest with you over this. Let’s just shake hands and disagree amicably. I am well aware that many if not most of my opinions are well wide of mainstream opinion. In my eyes the security state apparatus of the American government has proven itself to be the greatest force for evil in the last several decades. I know that puzzles some and infuriates others on this board, but this is a place for us to express our opinions and that is mine.
Solid gesture. I've spoken to him on multiple occasions in the past. He's a really good guy. And I know he's stressed out because of his girlfriend is in Ukraine.
Appreciate and of course I feel the same PD. Thanks for the kind words as well Medic and back at ya sir!
it’s always been my contention that if anyone from this board were around Catoosa or traveling by and wanted to go get a beer I’m there and would buy. Passion in your belief when arrived at through experience, research and analytical thinking is the bedrock of a conviction. Those who can argue their conviction have my utmost respect and while I may not agree with you I’ll ultimately fight to the death your right to believe and try to enlighten me with what you know/believe.
Only time this doesn’t hold true is when people defend their guy/belief with the parroted talking points and utter non-defensible crap.
I have been hearing from my girlfriend about every other day she is still safe, but as a police officer will remain in Kiev and do her duty. I won’t interfere with this either because it is exactly what Americans should do if we were invaded. The rest of my friends I’ve helped to get out of Kiev. One is in Poland, one just got out of Kiev today and is headed to Romania the other is somewhere between Kiev and Lviv. The friends in the military are obviously staying. My friends from Kharkov have not heard from in 4 days.
I have enjoyed your Ukrainian experiences. They are familiar to me. Keep us posted please. Although we no longer have family in the Ukraine we have friends that was fortunate enough to have family outside Ukraine to support their exits early. My wife considers herself Russian although her maternal and paternal grandparents were relocated by Stalin from Ukraine to Sakhalin Island post WW2. She is devastated by the harm that Putin has inflicted on Russians worldwide. She has a very in-depth knowledge of the history between Russia and Ukraine and understands far more than I about the "bad blood". I have done my very best to understand all sides of this conflict. My opinions are just that, opinions, and best kept under wraps at this time. I do believe more could have been done by all parties concerned over the last several years but I don't know if "more" would have produced a different outcome today. I think more could be done now but I understand the hesitations. Again, the current situation is very tragic.
I am from Washington County (greater Bartlesville area) and know the Catoosa area well. You might hear from me on that beer offer. I'm always interested in interesting people.
Take care
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Would enjoy meeting you for sure....give me a heads up next time your down and I'll buy!
