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CSCOTTOSUPOKES said:
Perhaps, but the pro-life movement does a really poor job of marginalizing that fringe.
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In that same spirit, Hillary said that babies have no rights until they are born, including the day before birth. That's pretty bizarre and I haven't seen anyone from the left criticizing that. Is that a feasible position or would that be considered fringe?
 
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Medic007 said:
In that same spirit, Hillary said that babies have no rights until they are born, including the day before birth. That's pretty bizarre and I haven't seen anyone from the left criticizing that. Is that a feasible position or would that be considered fringe?
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Technically she’s correct, isn’t she?
 
CSCOTTOSUPOKES said:
Technically she’s correct, isn’t she?
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Really? So it's ok to end the life of a full term baby? If you killed the pregnant mother, you'd be charged with 2 counts of homicide. If you delivered the baby and then killed it, you'd be charged with murder. But if a doctor kills it while it's still in the uterus the day before birth, that's ok?
 
Medic007 said:
Really? So it's ok to end the life of a full term baby? If you killed the pregnant mother, you'd be charged with 2 counts of homicide. If you delivered the baby and then killed it, you'd be charged with murder. But if a doctor kills it while it's still in the uterus the day before birth, that's ok?
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If the pregnancy had to be aborted to save the mother, yes. That’s her privacy and choice.
 
Medic007 said:
It won't.
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“Cesarean section now accounts for about 25%of all births in the United States. The chance of dying from a c/section, which is a major abdominal surgery, is about 20 out of 100,000. Although this is not exceptionally high, it is higher than the chance of dying from a vaginal delivery.”
 
CSCOTTOSUPOKES said:
“Cesarean section now accounts for about 25%of all births in the United States. The chance of dying from a c/section, which is a major abdominal surgery, is about 20 out of 100,000. Although this is not exceptionally high, it is higher than the chance of dying from a vaginal delivery.”
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And?
 
CSCOTTOSUPOKES said:
“Cesarean section now accounts for about 25%of all births in the United States. The chance of dying from a c/section, which is a major abdominal surgery, is about 20 out of 100,000. Although this is not exceptionally high, it is higher than the chance of dying from a vaginal delivery.”
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WTF is your point here?

You are saying a woman would have to abort a full term baby to save her life. That doesn’t happen. They deliver the baby or take it via C section. If they can’t do either of those, they also cannot abort the baby so might as well let the mom die.

Holy shit dude.
 
A daughter who commits a murder and uses rape as an excuse is definitely going to hell, unless she repents and confesses her sin and it is absolved by competent authorities. Thus, the only thing a loving father can do and should do is disown her if she commits such an action.

By threatening to disown he saves his granddaughter/grandson from being murdered and his daughter an eternity of regret. By actually carrying out the disown should his daughter commit the wicked act of Prolicide, the Father may hope that his extreme act jolts the daughter into awareness of grave act she has committed and that her eternal soul is in imminent danger.

A Father who loves his daughter above all looks after her eternal disposition.
 
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CSCOTTOSUPOKES said:
“Cesarean section now accounts for about 25%of all births in the United States. The chance of dying from a c/section, which is a major abdominal surgery, is about 20 out of 100,000. Although this is not exceptionally high, it is higher than the chance of dying from a vaginal delivery.”
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Can you post the link for that? 2014 data from the ACOG indicated the maternal death rate for c section was 13 per 100,000 and 4 per 100,000 for vaginal delivery.

Do you know what causes maternal death in c section deliveries?
 
Medic007 said:
Can you post the link for that? 2014 data from the ACOG indicated the maternal death rate for c section was 13 per 100,000 and 4 per 100,000 for vaginal delivery.

Do you know what causes maternal death in c section deliveries?
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Clearly the need for an abortion.
 
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brtinla said:
A daughter who commits a murder and uses rape as an excuse is definitely going to hell, unless she repents and confesses her sin and it is absolved by competent authorities. Thus, the only thing a loving father can do and should do is disown her if she commits such an action.

By threatening to disown he saves his granddaughter/grandson from being murdered and his daughter an eternity of regret. By actually carrying out the disown should his daughter commit the wicked act of Prolicide, the Father may hope that his extreme act jolts the daughter into awareness of grave act she has committed and that her eternal soul is in imminent danger.

A Father who loves his daughter above all looks after her eternal disposition.
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Is this some kind of universal thing we all have to live by?
 
Regarding the situation of necessity of abortion when the fetus threatens the life of the mother, this is a simple case of natural law and self defense. The Church commeneted on this in 1907:

"If medical treatment or surgical operation, necessary to save a mother’s life, is applied to her organism (though the child’s death would, or at least might, follow as a regretted but unavoidable consequence), it should not be maintained that the fetal life is thereby directly attacked."
 
Medic007 said:
I tend to follow all federal, state, and local laws. Does that count?
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Not really, at least eternally speaking. Slavery was legal once in this country. Abortion to the 8th trimester is legal now. At final judgement you will not get brownie points for following immoral laws.
 
CSCOTTOSUPOKES said:
Stats:
http://www.lochhavenobgyn.com/patient-resources/educational-articles/cesarean-section

Causes of death:
https://www.marchofdimes.org/pregnancy/having-a-c-section.aspx
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Similar. Still, on the high side, that's 0.0002% death rate. Pretty good odds considering the surgery. The death rate has actually risen somewhat because people are more obese and obese people always present higher operative risks.

Do you believe that terminating the third trimester baby's life in utero in situations of significant maternal distress is more advantageous/less risky than section delivery?
 
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CSCOTTOSUPOKES said:
I would be on board with much of this, but let’s also consider “convenience abortions” and think about how many pregnancies are welfare taxpayer-funded? It happens a lot in this country.
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I would rather my tax dollars go toward saving a life than ending one. Think about it from the “moral” perspective.

CSCOTTOSUPOKES said:
Perhaps, but the pro-life movement does a really poor job of marginalizing that fringe.
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Or is it that the pro-choice MSM intentionally emphasizes the fringe?
 
N. Pappagiorgio said:
You are very fortunate to have come across a lot of wise people on this board. Perhaps some of the wisest you have encountered in your life. Put your anger and bias in the drawer and listen to them. It really will help you tremendously.
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Vice versa?
 
@CSCOTTOSUPOKES, get back in this thread. I actually want to improve your knowledge to help you make your abortion arguments sound more informed.
 
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