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[my_2cents]

Do you have any issue with the delay/stalling tactics employed by Democrats so far? Don’t you agree that the more this process is delayed the greater benefit is gained by the Democrats?

So seeking to investigate serious allegations is now delay/stalling tactics?

See, all you guys on the right care about is rushing this nomination through before the election. Hence the "who does this benefit question." You don't care about the truth or seeking evidence because if you did, you would support a full investigation.

I don't care who it benefits politically. I believe a lifetime position on the Supreme Court is very important and we should be very careful who we nominate to such a position. That is why we need to have a serious investigation of this.

 

[N. Pappagiorgio]

I don't care who it benefits politically.

 

[my_2cents]

See this is the problem, partisans always assume there is a partisian reason behind everything.

An investigation could easily clear Kavanaugh. That would benefit Kavanaugh and I would think he would want one after all this. That is if he is as innocent as he claims

A full and fair investigation by the FBI is the only non-partisian approach to all of this.

 

[N. Pappagiorgio]

See this is the problem, partisans always assume there is a partisian reason behind everything.

An investigation could easily clear Kavanaugh. That would benefit Kavanaugh and I would think he would want one after all this. That is if he is as innocent as he claims

A full and fair investigation by the FBI is the only non-partisian approach to all of this.

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

See this is the problem, partisans always assume there is a partisian reason behind everything.

An investigation could easily clear Kavanaugh. That would benefit Kavanaugh and I would think he would want one after all this. That is if he is as innocent as he claims

A full and fair investigation by the FBI is the only non-partisian approach to all of this.

Clarence Thomas begs to differ.

 

[wyomingosualum]

So seeking to investigate serious allegations is now delay/stalling tactics?

See, all you guys on the right care about is rushing this nomination through before the election. Hence the "who does this benefit question." You don't care about the truth or seeking evidence because if you did, you would support a full investigation.

I don't care who it benefits politically. I believe a lifetime position on the Supreme Court is very important and we should be very careful who we nominate to such a position. That is why we need to have a serious investigation of this.

Complete dodge of the questions. I’ll ask again. A simple yes or no will be perfect.

Do you have any issue with the delay/stalling tactics employed by Democrats so far? Don’t you agree that the more this process is delayed the greater benefit is gained by the Democrats?

 

[my_2cents]

Do you have any issue with the delay/stalling tactics employed by Democrats so far?

Such as? Give me the specific tactics and I'll tell you if I agree or not.

Don’t you agree that the more this process is delayed the greater benefit is gained by the Democrats?

No, if the delay is to seek the truth behind these allegations. However if all you care about is the political benefit, then yes probably, in terms of who "may" control the Senate.

 

[wyomingosualum]

Such as? Give me the specific tactics and I'll tell you if I agree or not.



No, if the delay is to seek the truth behind these allegations. However if all you care about is the political benefit, then yes probably, in terms of who "may" control the Senate.

I enjoy bantering with you. Just so you know. I perceive you as being a good dude. Or chick, if applicable.

Specific tactic: Feinstein sitting on the letter for several weeks.

 

[purkey]

I enjoy bantering with you. Just so you know. I perceive you as being a good dude. Or chick, if applicable.

Specific tactic: Feinstein sitting on the letter for several weeks.

Or chick, if applicable.

 

[my_2cents]

Specific tactic: Feinstein sitting on the letter for several weeks.

No, I wasn't a fan of this. However, I am not as quick to assume her intentions in sitting on the letter as many on the right are. I can understand the difficult position Feinstein was placed in when she received the letter.

 

[Medic007]

The Senate Judicial Committee could immediately request an FBI investigation. The investigation would involve tracking down potential witnesses and creating a timeline. The FBI would also be tasked with tracking down all or new leads and providing to the Committee its assessment of the accusations. The FBI could also investigate any political conspiracy connections. Such an investigation would also have the power of the FBI behind it, meaning witnesses would be held accountable if they lied to FBI investigators.

There is absolutely no reason, apart from partisan politics, not to have such an investigation occur.

Except for the fact that the FBI does background checks for nominees. The FBI isn't going to provide any assessments of the accusations. That's the job of the Senate. The DOJ put out a statement regarding this topic.

There's an MOU regarding the FBI's role in background investigations for Presidential nominees. You should look it up so you don't keep sounding so uneducated on the subject.

 

[Medic007]

No, it is the same thing you and others on the right called for everytime there was an accusation made against the Clinton's, or Obama, or any other Democrat.

Now, all of a sudden, you have no use for a full investigation? Like I posted, hypocrisy.

This is overtly dumb. Hillary's email server is quite different from a judicial nomination. I'm not shocked you don't realize that.

 

[my_2cents]

Except for the fact that the FBI does background checks for nominees. The FBI isn't going to provide any assessments of the accusations. That's the job of the Senate. The DOJ put out a statement regarding this topic.

There's an MOU regarding the FBI's role in background investigations for Presidential nominees. You should look it up so you don't keep sounding so uneducated on the subject.

Again, the Committee could request the FBI to conduct an investigation of these accusations and the FBI could do exactly what I posted earlier. You can deny these facts all you want medic, but it doesn't change what this Committee and the FBI could do.

Kavanaugh today also said he welcomes an FBI investigation. He knows too that they could investigate this.

 

[my_2cents]

Hillary's email server is quite different from a judicial nomination to the Supreme Court.

FTFY.

So which is less important and why?

 

[wyomingosualum]

Again, the Committee could request the FBI to conduct an investigation of these accusations and the FBI could do exactly what I posted earlier. You can deny these facts all you want medic, but it doesn't change what this Committee and the FBI could do.

Kavanaugh today also said he welcomes an FBI investigation. He knows too that they could investigate this.

Do you think the FBI has been fair to Republicans in the past two years or so?

 

[my_2cents]

Do you think the FBI has been fair to Republicans in the past two years or so?

I've been waiting on this deflection for some time now lol. Do we get to read now how unfair the FBI is to poor pitiful Republicans??

To answer your queation though, yes I do. I think both sides have been upset with the FBI at some point recently, which should tell you something.

 

[Medic007]

Again, the Committee could request the FBI to conduct an investigation of these accusations and the FBI could do exactly what I posted earlier. You can deny these facts all you want medic, but it doesn't change what this Committee and the FBI could do.

Kavanaugh today also said he welcomes an FBI investigation. He knows too that they could investigate this.

Actually, the White House would have to request it. Kavanaugh is a Presidential nominee. And no, even if the White House requests "a full investigation," the FBI won't be providing any assessments about the truthfulness of any allegations.

I doubt this will turn off whatever switch is stuck in your brain, but it's worth a shot...

Statement from DOJ

“The Department of Justice and the FBI conduct background investigations in accordance with a memorandum of understanding (MOU) signed by then-Attorney General Eric H. Holder, Jr., and then-White House Counsel Robert F. Bauer in March 2010. The MOU provides as follows:

“‘[P]rior to an Appointee’s assuming the nominated position … if the FBI becomes aware of new information that raises questions about the suitability or trustworthiness of an Appointee … the FBI will so apprise the President or his designated representative as soon as possible.’

“The FBI does not make any judgment about the credibility or significance of any allegation. The purpose of a background investigation is to determine whether the nominee could pose a risk to the national security of the United States. On the night of September 12, the FBI received a letter dated from July 2018 alleging that the nominee engaged in an incident of misconduct in the 1980s. Consistent with the memorandum of understanding, the FBI forwarded this letter to the White House Counsel’s Office. The allegation does not involve any potential federal crime. The FBI’s role in such matters is to provide information for the use of the decision makers.”

 

[Medic007]

FTFY.

So which is less important and why?

Huh? Judicial nominations and crimes aren't in the same universe. The FBI's role in each isn't remotely similar. Not even close.

 

[my_2cents]

Huh? Judicial nominations and crimes aren't in the same universe.

So whether a judicial nominee to the Supreme Court committed numerous acts of sexual assault isn't important? Doesn't warrant the same concern directed to Clinton (both Bill and Hillary)?

 

[GunsOfFrankEaton]

 

[Medic007]

So whether a judicial nominee to the Supreme Court committed numerous acts of sexual assault isn't important? Doesn't warrant the same concern directed to Clinton (both Bill and Hillary)?

Did I say it isn't important? Was Bill Clinton investigated by the FBI for his rape and sexual assault allegations?

Clinton's sending and receiving of classified emails on a non-secure server may have been a federal CRIME, hence an FBI CRIMINAL investigation. Kavanaugh didn't commit a federal crime. He's a judicial nominee. Therefore, the FBI's role for each is completely different.

 

[my_2cents]

Did I say it isn't important? Was Bill Clinton investigated by the FBI for his rape and sexual assault allegations?

Clinton's sending and receiving of classified emails on a non-secure server may have been a federal CRIME, hence an FBI CRIMINAL investigation. Kavanaugh didn't commit a federal crime. He's a judicial nominee. Therefore, the FBI's role for each is completely different.

And again, the Senate Judicial Committee has the power to ask the FBI to investigate these accusations. And a judicial nomination to the Supreme Court is important enough to warrant such an investigation.

It is that simple.

 

[Medic007]

And again, the Senate Judicial Committee has the power to ask the FBI to investigate these accusations. And a judicial nomination to the Supreme Court is important enough to warrant such an investigation.

It is that simple.

If the Senate Judicial Committee has the power to ask for an FBI investigation, why hasn't one of the Democratic members who wants one asked for it? You're stuck on full narrative and completely ignoring every relevant reality. I have no idea why.

Again....

Statement from DOJ

“The Department of Justice and the FBI conduct background investigations in accordance with a memorandum of understanding (MOU) signed by then-Attorney General Eric H. Holder, Jr., and then-White House Counsel Robert F. Bauer in March 2010. The MOU provides as follows:

“‘[P]rior to an Appointee’s assuming the nominated position … if the FBI becomes aware of new information that raises questions about the suitability or trustworthiness of an Appointee … the FBI will so apprise the President or his designated representative as soon as possible.’

“The FBI does not make any judgment about the credibility or significance of any allegation. The purpose of a background investigation is to determine whether the nominee could pose a risk to the national security of the United States. On the night of September 12, the FBI received a letter dated from July 2018 alleging that the nominee engaged in an incident of misconduct in the 1980s. Consistent with the memorandum of understanding, the FBI forwarded this letter to the White House Counsel’s Office. The allegation does not involve any potential federal crime. The FBI’s role in such matters is to provide information for the use of the decision makers.”[/QUOTE]

 

[my_2cents]

If the Senate Judicial Committee has the power to ask for an FBI investigation, why hasn't one of the Democratic members who wants one asked for it? You're stuck on full narrative and completely ignoring every relevant reality. I have no idea why.

Again....

Statement from DOJ

“The Department of Justice and the FBI conduct background investigations in accordance with a memorandum of understanding (MOU) signed by then-Attorney General Eric H. Holder, Jr., and then-White House Counsel Robert F. Bauer in March 2010. The MOU provides as follows:

“‘[P]rior to an Appointee’s assuming the nominated position … if the FBI becomes aware of new information that raises questions about the suitability or trustworthiness of an Appointee … the FBI will so apprise the President or his designated representative as soon as possible.’

“The FBI does not make any judgment about the credibility or significance of any allegation. The purpose of a background investigation is to determine whether the nominee could pose a risk to the national security of the United States. On the night of September 12, the FBI received a letter dated from July 2018 alleging that the nominee engaged in an incident of misconduct in the 1980s. Consistent with the memorandum of understanding, the FBI forwarded this letter to the White House Counsel’s Office. The allegation does not involve any potential federal crime. The FBI’s role in such matters is to provide information for the use of the decision makers.”

You act like you are quoting stuff to me that I don't know medic lol.

Once again, the Committee could ask for an FBI investigation into these accusations. The White House also could ask the FBI to investigate as well. Kavanaugh could formally call for one too.

 

[Pokeabear]

You act like you are quoting stuff to me that I don't know medic lol.

Once again, the Committee could ask for an FBI investigation into these accusations. The White House also could ask the FBI to investigate as well. Kavanaugh could formally call for one as well.

The committee cannot unless it’s a federal crime. Third time today.

 

[my_2cents]

The committee cannot unless it’s a federal crime.

Yes it can.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...check-kavanaugh-again/?utm_term=.07fe7ff8a7ea

 

[Pokeabear]

Yes it can.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...check-kavanaugh-again/?utm_term=.07fe7ff8a7ea

No they can’t, I just read your story, Cite your evidence please. They can halt the nomination and demand the White House begin, continue or expand an investigation but they cannot order the fbi to start an investigation without credible evidence of a federal crime.

 

[my_2cents]

They can halt the nomination and demand the White House begin, continue or expand an investigation but they cannot order the fbi to start an investigation without credible evidence of a federal crime.

Did I say they could "order" the FBI? I said they could request and ask.

Please don't be like medic and make assumptions about what I am posting and then argue against those assuptions.

 

[Pokeabear]

Did I say they could "order" the FBI? I said they could request and ask.

Please don't be like medic and make assumptions about what I am posting and then argue against those assuptions.

Again, the Committee could request the FBI to conduct an investigation of these accusations and the FBI could do exactly what I posted earlier. You can deny these facts all you want medic, but it doesn't change what this Committee and the FBI could do.

Kavanaugh today also said he welcomes an FBI investigation. He knows too that they could investigate this.

 

[my_2cents]

Note, I posted "request." Did I posted "order?"

There is a reason I posted request and not order lol.

 

[Pokeabear]

Note, I said "request." Did I say "order"??

No you didn’t, however you did state they could ask the fbi, they can not, they can ask the White House to ask the fbi. We can argue semantics but bottom line your original assertion as to how the Congress might go about achieving an fbi investigation into a Candidates background was wrong. Only the Whitehouse can ask/order the FBI to do anything unless there is a federal crime.

 

[my_2cents]

No you didn’t, however you did state they could ask the fbi, they can not, they can ask the White House to ask the fbi. We can argue semantics but bottom line your original assertatiknas to how the Congress might go about achieving an fbi investigation into a Candidate background was wrong. Only the Whitehouse can ask/order the FBI to do anything unless there is a federal crime.

Well I thought it was common sense to know that by asking the FBI they would be asking the White House since the FBI is part of the executive branch (i.e. the DOJ).

Again, the Senate Committee can ask/request the FBI to investigate this. That is a true statement. But no, they cannot "order" it.

Which returns us once again to this question: Why do Republicans not want such an investigation? Why are they opposing it, especially when they claim they want to see evidence and not have a rush to judgment regarding these accusations?

 

[Pokeabear]

Well I thought it was common sense to know that by asking the FBI they would be asking the White House since the FBI is part of the executive branch (i.e. the DOJ).

Again, the Senate Committee can ask/request the FBI to investigate this. That is a true statement. But no, they cannot "order" it.

Remember don’t assume. I’m not the target audience here, we are preaching to the choir.

 

[Medic007]

Note, I posted "request." Did I posted "order?"

There is a reason I posted request and not order lol.

 

[Medic007]

Did I say they could "order" the FBI? I said they could request and ask.

Please don't be like medic and make assumptions about what I am posting and then argue against those assuptions.

 

[my_2cents]

Remember don’t assume. I’m not the target audience here, we are preaching to the choir.

You are perhaps right about the assuming part. I just figured everyone on this board knows how the three branches of government work and interact with each other.

Guess I shouldn't make such an assumption haha.

 

[Pokeabear]

You are perhaps right about the assuming part. I just figured everyone on this board knows how the three branches of government work and interact with each other.

Guess I shouldn't make such an assumption haha.

When the President doesn’t, I no longer assume anything.

 

[my_2cents]

Actually, the White House would have to request it.

Turns out ONE Senator can request it and even propose the time limit, and the FBI investigation happens lol.

 

[N. Pappagiorgio]

Turns out ONE Senator can request it and even propose the time limit, and the FBI investigation happens lol.

I don’t think you understand.

 

[my_2cents]

I don’t think you understand.

No, I understand it just fine, hence the "lol."