Lex/RFK pod
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RFKJR is ok as far as the commie party goes. He is stellar on privacy issues, etc. for which I give him kudos. But I saw an interview with him the other day in which he said if there was ever consensus among both parties to ban "assault" weapons he would sign off on it. So basically if there were ever consensus in Washington to trash Shall Not Be Infinged, he wouldn't own the necessary set to stand up for the constitution.
Another way to look at it is to understand he knows there will never be such a consensus and so he can appease the gun grabbers in his party without ever facing the consequesnces, which is a callous political calculation. And another way to look at it is if there ever is a consesnus, a literal consensus of American people wanting to have their guns confiscated or banned it won't matter anyway, the county would have completely lost its way.
I am struck by the discussion about Camus at the beginning of the podcast. I keep thinking how would Donald Trump have responded to a question about Camus. I doubt he even knows who he is. And Biden would be as bad if not worse.
He doesn't stand a chance. He wants to transform the Dim Party and no way can one person do that with so many insane brainwashed lunatics in that Party now. The thought itself is lunacy.
That’s what was said about Trump and the Republican Party and look what happened.
This posts says it all as it relates to what @Ponca Dan is really all about.
Do you believe Trump transformed the Republican Party in a positive way?
Do you still think Trump shouldn't be the 2024 Republican nominee?
You wanna nother four from sleepy? Much less a Kennedy? 🤣
Are these questions directed at me? I believe Trump’s administration was a mixed bag of very good choices (Supreme Court nominees), good choices (tax reform) and utterly stupid and harmful policies (unilateral trade war with the rest of the world, allies included; ramping up drone bombings to unprecedented record numbers that murdered tens of thousands of innocent civilians while pretending he was keeping us out of war). And he did it all in conflict with the establishment of his own party, an establishment I find despicable in many ways. So overall I would say he improved his party by a very small margin.
I did not want Trump to be the nominee in 2016 and I don't want him to be the nominee in 2024, but it appears the Republican primary voters are intent on having him. Which leaves us with only one positive outcome: Bobby Jr is the Democrat nominee and beats Trump in the general. Which I believe has an outside chance of happening. The Democrat primary voters do not seem to be as enamored of Biden as the Republicans are of Trump. An election between Biden and Trump is a lose-lose for tke country. Our only hope lies in Kennedy.
No Dan no. Kennedys done ****ed it all up. Don't vote, no opinion.
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Ok, thank you for your answer. And it is one I'm not surprised by.
Thank you again for you answer..
Who would you like to see be the 2024 Republican nominee?
Jr. isn't going to be the Democratic nominee in 2024. He isn't where most Democratic primary voters are on the issues that matter most to them.
You are correct though that many Democratic primary voters aren't enamored with Biden, mainly because of worries about his age. However, that doesn't mean a majority of them are going to turn to a chaos Steve Bannon candidate like Jr. Biden might have been vulnerable to a real legitimate progressive (or even moderate Democratic) challenger in '24, but so far, that doesn't appear to be on the horizon. AOC endorsing him this past week is just another sign of Biden solidifying the progressive base of his party.
The best you can hope for now Dan is that Biden pulls an LBJ and shocks everyone by dropping out on his own. But there is no sign yet that he has any plans of doing this. President Biden knows he can beat Trump again, and if Republicans are foolish enough to nominate Trump again, they are playing right into Biden's political strategy.
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There’s only been one Kennedy that has been president. What is it you think JFK got so wrong?
Yer a slick son of bitch Dan, I don't have the energy or the "smarts" 😁. To argue you fella.
Bobby is a long shot, there’s no denying it. But I believe that under the surface there is a smoldering rage the average Democrat voter feels as he watches his party establishment turn the party away from the Kennedy legacy and toward collectivist insanity. The establishment must see it as well since it has gone into overdrive to shut Bobby out of any conversation unless it is a conversation to besmirch every aspect of his character. Reading things you write about him and his chances is pretty indicative of how they want him portrayed.
Vietnam is the first thing that comes to mind. Including his support and approval of the Diem coup.
His approval of the Bay of Pigs invansion is next. Then his continued support of trying to overthrow Castro in Cuba, which led to the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Domestically, the first thing that comes to mind is JFK's unwillingness to strongly politically back a civil rights bill at the start of his term. He had to be politically forced into finally sending a bill to Congress, where it set, dead on arrival, until LBJ became President.
I have no evidence to prove my hunch but I’ve always thought your distaste for the Kennedy clan is based on Teddy. In that regard I’m with you. I never cared for Teddy.
He had given orders to get out of Vietnam, and he declared he wanted to break the CIA into a thousand pieces after it finagled him into the Cuban invasion. That’s almost certainly why he was murdered.
And you are wrong about this. For two reasons.
First, because Jr. doesn't represent the true Kennedy political legacy. Hence why most in his own family aren't supporting him. Jr. is very different from JFK, RFK (especially what RFK became late in his political career), Edward Kennedy, and every other Kennedy who has held political office. The Kennedy legacy is still very much a part of what the Democratic Party is today, thanks to RFK, Edward Kennedy, etc.
Secondly, you are the one who has a problem with collectivist policies. You aren't a Democrat though and you definitely aren't an average Democratic voter. You are trying to project your right-wing ideology upon Democratic voters. Sorry, we aren't where you are.
No one has shut Jr. out of anything. He is getting plenty of recognition while he pursues his own political strategy.
Ah, but Senator Edward Kennedy is part of the "Kennedy legacy" that you like to reference. He was one of the original brothers. He knew his own brothers and what they stood for. He stood beside them and worked with them. He then led the family for decades.
Edward Kennedy just lived longer than JFK and RFK. You got to see how JFK and RFK would have looked in the 70s, 80s, 90s etc. through Edward Kennedy. Instead of creating some political fantasy of two liberal men who were slain to fit your right-wing conspiratorial worldview.
Edward Kennedy endorsed Obama in 2008 over Clinton, just as his brothers would have done. That is part of the Kennedy legacy, a legacy that you clearly seemed to be very confused about.
You’re either trying to be funny or you’re totally clueless. You are expressing the spin that the Democrat establishment puts out. And that’s understandable. You are incapable of looking beyond the spin, you embrace it with every fiber of your being. But, I’m not talking about people like you. I’m talking about normal working class Democrats that are distressed to see their party veer so hard away from the Kennedy legacy. Your establishment is doing its best to shut him out. But he’s not a fool, he’s finding ways around their efforts. And it’s possible that the more often normal Democrats hear his message of normality his popularity will grow. We’d better hope so. The country will be hard pressed to survive four more years of the Democrat establishment insanity or a repeat of Donald Trump.
It’s just me, I’m sure, but I think Bobby has a better understanding of his famiky’s legacy than you.
Again, this is not true and it part of the conspiratorial lies connected to JFK's assassination.
I've provided you with video evidence of JFK stating that he believed it would be wrong to withdraw from Vietnam. He literally stated this two and half months before he was assassinated. It is on video, for everyone to see. He also endorses the domino theory in that interview and lays out why he doesn't think we can withdraw
We know that JFK endorsed the Diem coup in early November 1963. JFK wanted a new government in Saigon, something he also referenced in that September 1963 interview.
It is all there for you to see with your own eyes. Yet, you continue to believe a conspiratorial lie. It is absolutely ridiculous.
We have no clue if JFK ever made this comment about the CIA. One person claimed he said this years later. Years after the fact.
We do know though that it doesn't align with what JFK did with the CIA after the Bay of Pigs. JFK never moved to break the CIA up, instead, he continued to use the CIA to accomplish his foreign policy goals. He continued to use the CIA in Cuba and around the world. JFK was closely connected to the CIA and its actions throughout his time as President.
And the CIA didn't finagle JFK into doing anything. JFK was the President and he made the decision. Treat him like you would Obama, Biden, or any other Democrat today if they did something similar.
Again, it is nothing but conspiracy nonsense for you.
You can't bring yourself to acknowledge that there is a very real possibility (a lot of evidence) that Lee Harvey Oswald murder JFK and that he acted alone. Even if you want to embrace a conspiracy, you won't look at the Mafia like you should, but want to blame the government for killing its own President. When there is no legitimate evidence to back up such a crazy claim.
You are lost in a conspiratorial world Dan that has no basis in reality or fact.
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Yes, you are creating in your mind a Democratic voter that doesn't exist on a scale that is needed to win the Democratic primary. A Democratic voter that thinks like you do and believes the lies that you apparently believe.
I know you can't admit this, but I am the normal working class Democratic voter. I'm actually probably a bit more left than some, but still right there with them. I have my concerns about President Biden. I'd personally prefer someone else to be the nominee but I also understand why Biden is running again and I give him credit where credit is due. But I'm not going to vote for a guy like Jr. and neither are most Democrats. A small minority of Democrats may vote for him because of his last name (without doing any research) or because they aren't happy with Biden, but it isn't going to be enough to win the nomination.
Name one real Democrat on this board who has endorsed Jr.
You can't, can you? That should tell you something. Are we all not "normal" Democrats? lol
Actually, I think it does tell you something. It is all part of the political charade you are playing with Jr. And this is me trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.
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Then explain why most of his entire family is opposing him. Why is his own family endorsing Biden? Why are they speaking out against him? Why are they saying he doesn't represent the Kennedy family?
This is the Kennedy family, one of the most loyal political American families. And most of them want nothing to do with Jr. Hello!
I think the Kennedy family has a better understanding of their legacy than you or Jr does.
Jr. is the black sheep of the family who everyone just shakes their head at. Including me. He had potential but he chose to go off the rails for some reason.
I would have easily supported him, as I did Joe Kennedy III, if Jr. truly was honoring the Kennedy political legacy. He isn't though and most normal Democratic voters know this.
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