Le Pen

[windriverrange]

Hope she wins and has a YouTube out showing her wiping her ass with the EU flag. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Nationalism and detesting people who want to immigrate to your country but not assimilate. Those immigrants are a cancer and need to be excised immediately.

 

[GunsOfFrankEaton]

http://www.westmonster.com/leaked-poll-le-pen-leads-fillon-in-second-place/#.WPxksceg6b8.twitter

Le Pen leads in last-minute, leaked poll.

 

[trapped_in_tx]

http://www.westmonster.com/leaked-poll-le-pen-leads-fillon-in-second-place/#.WPxksceg6b8.twitter

Le Pen leads in last-minute, leaked poll.

Sounds like the runoff is Le Pen and Macron.

http://www.france24.com/en

 

[GL97]

Macron wins the first round and will also most likely win the runoff. Macron is essentially a third way politician, very similar to Tony Blair, Bill Clinton, etc. Interesting win for him.

What is even more interesting is how a majority of the voters in France voted for someone other than Macron and Le Pen. That is being lost in much of the news coverage.

 

[aix_xpert]

Macron wins the first round and will also most likely win the runoff. Macron is essentially a third way politician, very similar to Tony Blair, Bill Clinton, etc. Interesting win for him.

What is even more interesting is how a majority of the voters in France voted for someone other than Macron and Le Pen. That is being lost in much of the news coverage.

Yea, it was almost an even 3-way split with a fourth receiving more than a marginal amount. I do question what judgement says that Marcon is centrist? What policies does he support that would be considered 'right'? Seems like he is left of center on each and every left/right position.

 

[GL97]

Seems like he is left of center on each and every left/right position.

He is left of central but he is not as far left as he could be. Hence, he is a third way politician.

Think Tony Blair.

 

[aix_xpert]

He is left of central but he is not as far left as he could be. Hence, he is a third way politician.

Think Tony Blair.

We'll I'll give your team credit for managing the narrative. So only a die-hard communist qualifies as far left now days. Just simply being a common, everyday, pro-government, pro-globalism, socialist makes you a centrist candidate, and if you are a nationalist (of any type, including a pro-socialist nationalist like Le Pen), you are branded Far-Right. Its amazing, because outside of promoting a Nationalist agenda, Le Pen sounds like Bernie Sanders. High taxes, pro-government, lavish unemployment. She doesn't preach austerity (usually a key tenet of being right-wing/conservative) at all. But she does preach nationalism, and as such, is the "extreme" candidate.

 

[GL97]

Just simply being a common, everyday, pro-government, pro-globalism, socialist makes you a centrist candidate, and if you are a nationalist (of any type, including a pro-socialist nationalist like Le Pen), you are branded Far-Right.

We are talking about Europe, France in particular. Not the United States. And yes, democratic socialism and/or social democracy is popular in France and other parts of Europe. Both continue to grow in popularity in the United States as well, but again, this is France we are talking about.

And yes, nationalism is worrisome, especially in Europe. They had an experience with the product of strong nationalism 75 years ago. They haven't forgotten about it.

 

[aix_xpert]

We are talking about Europe, France in particular. Not the United States. And yes, democratic socialism and/or social democracy is popular in France and other parts of Europe. Both continue to grow in popularity in the United States as well, but again, this is France we are talking about.

And yes, nationalism is worrisome, especially in Europe. They had an experience with the product of strong nationalism 75 years ago. They haven't forgotten about it.

Of course they haven't. Globalists have been screaming Nazi everytime anyone mentions strong borders and nation-first policies.

 

[GL97]

Globalists have been screaming Nazi everytime anyone mentions strong borders and nation-first policies.

Again, Europe knows where strong nationalism can lead. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

 

[Alpha Poke]

Europe has already been invaded by people intent on changing their civilization.

The past is happening again. Only you're endorsing this one.

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

I want to know why there isn't much hue and outcry for France to make history and elect their first woman President?

 

[Colorado_Poke]

Its amazing, because outside of promoting a Nationalist agenda, Le Pen sounds like Bernie Sanders.

That's what's so crazy in all of this. Le Pen is far left, not far right.

 

[CowboyJD]

We are talking about Europe, France in particular. Not the United States. And yes, democratic socialism and/or social democracy is popular in France and other parts of Europe. Both continue to grow in popularity in the United States as well, but again, this is France we are talking about.

And yes, nationalism is worrisome, especially in Europe. They had an experience with the product of strong nationalism 75 years ago. They haven't forgotten about it.

Again, Europe knows where strong nationalism can lead. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

This isn't WW2.

 

[GL97]

Europe has already been invaded by people intent on changing their civilization.

You mean the Jews?

See how familiar this type of rhetoric would sound to those in Europe?

 

[GL97]

Last time I checked CowboyJD, Iran isn't in Europe nor is anyone on this board advocating going to war with France.

Two different discussions.

 

[CowboyJD]

Last time I checked CowboyJD, Iran isn't in Europe nor is anyone on this board advocating going to war with France.

Two different discussions.

Not really.

Especially when we are discussing making policy decisions and actions from a WWII perspective,

One (Iran), you're against doing so.

In the other, you're for it.

 

[GL97]

Not really.

Yes, really. When one relates WWII to a discussion on Iran, it is really kinda of pointless. Except in the sense that harsh sanctions help lead to the rise of Hitler (which I noted). However, the person who brought up WWII in that discussion was arguing for more sanctions against Iran...so the whole WWII approach didn't really help his argument.

Radical nationalism in Europe is a whole other discussion from what should be done in terms of Iran.

Again, two different discussions that you tried to link together for some reason.

 

[Tulsaaggieson]

Interesting map of Europe little over 1,000 years ago.

Europe might need some Nationalist zeal. UK before WWII was highly nationalistic, as was France, Spain, and Poland. Nationalist zeal was not the problem with the Nazi party. China can be extremely nationalistic, but how many times in history have you seen China move out of what is currently China? Try looking for something else that was and is the problem.

 

[CowboyJD]

Yes, really. When one relates WWII to a discussion on Iran, it is really kinda of pointless. Except in the sense that harsh sanctions help lead to the rise of Hitler (which I noted). However, the person who brought up WWII in that discussion was arguing for more sanctions against Iran...so the whole WWII approach didn't really help his argument.

Radical nationalism in Europe is a whole other discussion from what should be done in terms of Iran.

Again, two different discussions that you tried to link together for some reason.

I understand you don't believe them to be linked....or don't see the linkage.

You're wrong.

 

[GL97]

You're wrong.

And you are just trying too hard, as usual.

 

[CowboyJD]

And you are just trying too hard, as usual.

I'm not trying at all.

We've all learned trying to get you to consider the possibility that your set in stone opinions aren't facts is a futile.

 

[GL97]

We've all learned trying to get you to consider the possibility that your set in stone opinions aren't facts is a futile.

Switching conversations huh? Ok.

I don't recall saying my opinion are facts. Could you show me where I posted that my opinions are facts?

 

[CowboyJD]

Switching conversations huh? Ok.

I don't recall saying my opinion are facts. Could you show me where I posted that my opinions are facts?

Didn't switch the conversation at all.

You accused me of "trying to hard".

I responded.

Thanks for playing.

 

[GL97]

Didn't switch the conversation at all.

Yes you did, and it was rather obvious. It is ok though, I understand why you did.

If you ever feel like answering the question you then dodged, let me know.

 

[CowboyJD]

Yes you did, and it was rather obvious. It is ok though, I understand why you did.

If you ever feel like answering the question you then dodged, let me know.

I didn't dodge any question.

I refused to respond an inane "quote where I said...." challenge where I never claimed you admitted or said anything.

 

[GL97]

I refused to respond an inane "quote where I said...." challenge where I never claimed you admitted or said anything.

Exactly, you gave your opinion. Now, do you believe your opinion to be fact?

And once you finishing processing that, note how this is a "message board." It would be kind of pointless if we didn't all have strong opinions and discussed them with each other.

 

[CowboyJD]

Exactly, you gave your opinion. Now, do you believe your opinion to be fact?

And once you finishing processing that, note how this is a "message board." It would be kind of pointless if we didn't all have strong opinions and discussed them with each other.

"Different" Toon.

Same old shit.

 

[GL97]

And now, deflection.

You are rather predictable JD.

 

[CowboyJD]

And now, deflection.

You are rather predictable JD.

 

[aix_xpert]

GL,

Since you are against Sanctions "They only hurt the people of Iran", and are against war, how do you propose that we interact with tyranical countries such as Iran? Just put our head in the sand and wait until they cross a phantom red-line? We saw how well that worked in Syria, and that's a hell of a lot more recent that WW2. You've questioned the legitimate responses given by myself and others. Yet have constantly avoided having to actually committing to what you believe would the correct course of action. So what would you have done differently?

 

[CowboyJD]

GL,

Since you are against Sanctions "They only hurt the people of Iran", and are against war, how do you propose that we interact with tyranical countries such as Iran? Just put our head in the sand and wait until they cross a phantom red-line? We saw how well that worked in Syria, and that's a hell of a lot more recent that WW2. You've questioned the legitimate responses given by myself and others. Yet have constantly avoided having to actually committing to what you believe would the correct course of action. So what would you have done differently?

My guess is not a damn thing.

 

[Medic007]

And now, deflection.

You are rather predictable JD.

Weird coming from a newcomer to the board. It's almost like you have a history here...

 

[ThorOdinson13]

Weird coming from a newcomer to the board. It's almost like you have a history here...

 

[Alpha Poke]

You mean the Jews?

See how familiar this type of rhetoric would sound to those in Europe?

What are the parallels between the tribe and the immigrants destroying Europe?

 

[Medic007]

What are the parallels between the tribe and the immigrants destroying Europe?

Oh shit. Don't ask questions. It only encourages the postings of this board newcomer/stranger. His political acumen resembles that of the cantaloupe I ate for breakfast.

 

[MegaPoke]

Weird coming from a newcomer to the board. It's almost like you have a history here...

 

[Medic007]

That was incredibly funny. Props to you sir.