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Kellyanne Conway.....

No problem with that, but I do not want LGBT members telling me or my family what is normal, as I do not tell them. Mind your own business and do not ask for special treatment just because you are part of the LGBT community. I disagree with the hate crime legislation, just prosecute under normal laws. We did not need hate crime legislation, we already had laws in place to handle crime, just enforce them.
Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas?
 
I don't think I'm going to Let you get away with mentioning two
Irrelevant things and then telling me to use my imagination on the rest. What social justice grievances do you have that relate to this decade?
Data doesn't lie - the economic divide between white males and the rest of the universe is real. Rationalize all you want - you can't over come the data.

And curious if you really think we are in a post racial/post homophobic world? Just waiting for the return of One Man One Woman as a Constitutional Amendment.... willing to bet someone proposes it this year.
 
Do you really imagine Trump going around, randomly grabbing their pussies without their consent? But Mega.. the tape...

Yeah, let's look at the transcript.

You know, I'm automatically attracted to beautiful... I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything."

BUSH: "Whatever you want."

TRUMP: "Grab them by the p****. You can do anything."


I don't recall anyone on this board defending the conversation as being anything other than tacky and boorish. He should've not had this conversation whether he knew it was taped or not. However, since you are still talking about it - let's consider my favorite word - context.

'When you are a star... they LET YOU do anything' - he's not talking about professional interactions or personal interactions, or even typically real life interactions, he's referring to interactions with women who see him as a celebrity. I know this is shocking - but some women are drawn to rich, powerful, famous men, actors, rock stars etc. These women are called groupies. Groupies make themselves available to the "star" and generally hope to be kissed and groped - for starters.

This is a weird world and it's very hard to relate to, so it's easy to glom on to the idea that it's sexual assault because of confirmation bias. You don't like Trump and it doesn't take anything to convince you that he is saying he is grabbing women without their consent.

I'm not defending it - but I am saying from this transcript it is at best unclear that it's against their consent - and most likely it is with perfectly willing women.

Plus, thinking this to be a private conversation - it's pretty clear to me he was big-timing Bush and trying to impress him with likely exaggeration. Again, that's really dumb on his part and utterly pointless. But you really have to WANT this to be sexual assault to believe that's what it is.

I told you I would elaborate more on this, so here goes...

So... I'll tell you this and you can make of it what you will. I am nobody famous but I do have a *little* experience with groupies myself. My band is a KISS tribute band, and we are really good - been doing it for 12 years now. It's my golf game - mainly for fun but we really try to do an accurate show. We do on average about 10-12 shows a year - did a lot more in the early days. We play relatively big shows that draw relatively big crowds. Average crowd for us is 500 - 1000 people I would guess - so small by real rock star standards, but huge by municipal rock star standards. After every show my band does, there are lines of people for photos and believe it or not - autographs - I've signed thousands, which I find hilarious. Depending on the show, it may be a more family friendly show or it may be a little more of an adult audience where women are drinking and losing some inhibition.

These girls are VERY grabby themselves - far more than you would believe. And I've never been asked for consent before one of them grabbed my ass (or more) when posing for pics. That's not one or two times, it's dozens of times and dozens of shows. I've had guys bare their women's breasts for me to spit blood on during the show. I've had women flash their tits and bend over and flash their goods. It is unreal and ridiculous. @Bitter Creek was part of a security detail at one of our shows where there were so many naked girls on stage it was nearly a work hazard, so I've got at least one witness here to what I'm talking about. I *may* have returned the favor on an ass grab with these girls on occasion - never asked permission and never needed to. It wasn't sexual assault - it was fans buying into the illusion, enjoying the show and having fun with the band - some intended to have more fun than others. Plenty of photos to show you I'm not making this up.

My point - I have a tiny little dirty window into what the world of celebrity can be like, and it's not like any other part of my real world, and if you haven't been in that kind of situation it's very hard to relate to. So you can take this as bragging or whatever, but it's a fact. Of course, 20 minutes later after taking the costume and makeup off - I can walk by the same women who were 'assaulting' me and they don't even look at me because I've transformed into a lowly roadie for my own band. Even if they know I was the "Gene" they were posing with just a few minutes earlier, the illusion is gone at that point and so is their interest in me - but imagine what it must be like for someone who is a celebrity 24/7. How many of Trump's celebrity detractors have enjoyed the fruits of their fame with willing groupies? You think Bruce Springstien or Madonna ask for permission before they grab someone's junk? Not if the context of the interaction makes it clear they don't need to.

As the "Celebrity Apprentice" guy doing a TV interview with a celebrity reporter - exactly what the hell kind of interaction do you think he was talking about? Dinner parties at Mara Lago? Board meetings at Trump Tower? Elevator rides with secretaries? Of course not. He was talking about women who want to f*** a famous guy. Boorish, yes. But if you don't consider the likely context on this conversation, you really are just believing fan fiction about the non-consentual nature of the pussy grabs and kissing he's specifically talking about.

Either way - focusing on this kind of thing puts you further in the rear view mirror of the Trump Train. It's a war that was fought and won. Wouldn't surprise me if the pussy hats were his idea. Everyone knows he is a 70 year old billionaire playboy whose love life has been tabloid fodder for 40 years. To suddenly hold him to a higher level of accountability for his past is kind of hilarious. Or should I say, hitlerious?

Serious question @davidallen do you have a pink pussy hat?
Yes my pink hat is apparently in the mail. A gift from my mother so STFU...

Regarding groupies- a naked lady on stage has "opted in" as the say.

Speaking of context - did Trump in any way qualify who or when he "grabbed em by the pussy"?

You can be as generous as you like in imaging a context where that would be appropriate- but for the vast majority Trump comes off as boorish, crude, and even abusive. Just for clarity here is the transcript:
Donald Trump: You know and—

Unidentified voice: She used to be great. She’s still very beautiful.

Trump: I moved on her actually. You know she was down on Palm Beach. I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it. I did try and **** her. She was married.

Unidentified voice: That’s huge news there.

Trump: No, no. Nancy. No this was— And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’ I took her out furniture– I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married. Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.

Bush: Sheesh, your girl’s hot as shit. In the purple.

Trump: Whoa!

Bush: Yes. Yes, the Donald has scored!

Trump: Whoa!

Bush: Whoa, my man!

Unidentified voice: Wait, wait you’ve got to look at me when you get out and be like ... will you give me the thumbs up? You’ve got to put the thumbs up.

[crosstalk]

Trump: Look at you. You are a pussy.

[crosstalk]

Unidentified voice: You’ve got to get the thumbs up. You can’t be too happy, man.

Trump: Alright, you and I will walk down.

[crosstalk]

Trump: Maybe it’s a different one.

Bush: It better not be the publicist. No, it’s her. It’s her.

Trump: Yeah, that’s her, with the gold. I’ve got to use some Tic Tacs, just in case I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. I just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

Unidentified voice: Whatever you want.

Trump: Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.

[crosstalk and chuckling]

Unidentified voice: Yeah those legs, all I can see is the legs.

Trump: Oh, it looks good.

Unidentified voice: Come on, shorty.

Trump: Oh, nice legs, huh?

Bush: Oof, get out of the way, honey. Oh, that’s good legs. Go ahead.

Perhaps I missed the part where the Don clarified that he only groped women who consented explicitly or implicitly...
 
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How has Kellyanne reportedly throwing down at an inauguration ball not been discussed yet?

Frankly....that's pretty badass.

I think I like her more than I like Trump, Spicer, or any of the boys in the administration.

Plus, I can convince myself that she's just cynically in it for the money, power and fame instead of a "true believer".

I'm not a big fan of "true believers".

She's great. My daughter looks up to her and I'm good with that.

I would love to get odds and drop $50 on her being #46. Would not be the weirdest thing I've ever seen.
 
Yes my pink hat is apparently in the mail. A gift from my mother so STFU...

Pic or YOU can STFU.

Regarding groupies- a naked lady on stage has "opted in" as the say.

That's an anomaly. The tipsy woman grabbing my ass while posing for pictures without permission is way more common, and is the analogy in trying to draw to the transcript.

Speaking of context - did Trump in any way qualify who or when he "grabbed em by the pussy"?

Nope. And that's my point. It's left to the listener to interpret it. Having said that, I could change a few specifics and it could have been at least a dozen guys I personally know saying the same thing about women at gigs. It sounds familiar in that way - and given the fact that he was TV guy at the time, it seems likely.

Perhaps I missed the part where the Don clarified that he only groped women who consented explicitly or implicitly...

Again, if you literally imagine him doing this in any other capacity in his life, I have to wonder where? Who? Why would he need to?
 
Pic or YOU can STFU.



That's an anomaly. The tipsy woman grabbing my ass while posing for pictures without permission is way more common, and is the analogy in trying to draw to the transcript.



Nope. And that's my point. It's left to the listener to interpret it. Having said that, I could change a few specifics and it could have been at least a dozen guys I personally know saying the same thing about women at gigs. It sounds familiar in that way - and given the fact that he was TV guy at the time, it seems likely.



Again, if you literally imagine him doing this in any other capacity in his life, I have to wonder where? Who? Why would he need to?
Pic to come.

Allegations that he did just as described - forced himself on women were disputed but not retracted even after threats of litigation. Certainly not definitive but quite consistent with his own words.

His defense - "locker room talk" also speaks volumes as to his frame of mine - entitled, boorish, ass. Just own the fact that you are prepared to accept this when it aligns to your politics. A little misogyny- good for 'Merica.
 
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Allegations that he did just as described - forced himself on women were disputed but not retracted even after threats of litigation. Certainly not definitive but quite consistent with his own words.

His defense - "locker room talk" also speaks volumes as to his frame of mine - entitled, boorish, ass. Just own the fact that you are prepared to accept this when it aligns to your politics. A little misogyny- good for 'Merica.
Who cares?
 
Me, my wife, my daughters, a couple of million women who marched last weekend. I get it you don't, but please don't trivialize the concerns of a wide swath of the citizenry. Bad shit happens when you do- just ask a reasonably intelligent Dem.
Liar. It was 1,897,678 marchers.
 
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Allegations that he did just as described - forced himself on women were disputed but not retracted even after threats of litigation. Certainly not definitive but quite consistent with his own words.

His defense - "locker room talk" also speaks volumes as to his frame of mine - entitled, boorish, ass. Just own the fact that you are prepared to accept this when it aligns to your politics. A little misogyny- good for 'Merica.

I'm perfectly willing to accept an entitled, boorish ass if he does a great job for us. I'm just saying you don't know if he's talking about secretaries or groupies because you don't. Pretty simple. I don't either but I'm suggesting the context is absolutely not clear that he's talking about victimizing women.
 
I'm perfectly willing to accept an entitled, boorish ass if he does a great job for us. I'm just saying you don't know if he's talking about secretaries or groupies because you don't. Pretty simple. I don't either but I'm suggesting the context is absolutely not clear that he's talking about victimizing women.
Reasonably confident in saying he was referring to women seated next to him on airplanes, receptionists in his building, and female journalists...
 
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