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Just to throw some fuel on the education fire....

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Oklahoma students lost ground in reading proficiency in the past two years, erasing gains they had made in 2015, newly released data from the “Nation’s Report Card” show.

Nationally, students’ reading scores held steady.

The decline was significant and could raise questions about the efficacy of the state’s third-grade retention policy. State Superintendent of Public Instruction Joy Hofmeister attributed 2015 gains to the policy.

In math, Oklahoma fourth-graders’ scores slipped while eighth-grade students held steady, the data show.

Oklahoma ranked in the bottom half of states in reading and math in fourth and eighth grades in the 2017 National Assessment for Educational Progress. The exams are given every other year to a sampling of fourth- and eighth-grade students nationwide and are considered the best tool to compare student achievement across states.

Oklahoma ranked 39th in fourth-grade reading; 40th in eighth-grade reading; 34th in fourth-grade math; and 44th in eighth-grade math. Scores were reported for all 50 states plus Washington, D.C., and Department of Defense schools.

The rankings show Oklahoma needs significant gains to meet one of the goals laid out in its plan for education under the Every Student Succeeds Act: to score among the top 20 states in all subjects and grades on the Nation’s Report Card.

Among the test results for Oklahoma:


In reading, fourth-grade scores slipped four points, erasing the four-point gain in 2015. Twenty-nine percent of fourth-graders were considered proficient in 2017, compared to 35 percent nationally. Twenty-eight percent of eighth-graders scored proficient, compared to 35 percent nationally.

In math, fourth-grade scores dipped three points, following a one-point gain in 2015. Thirty-five percent scored proficient, compared to 40 percent nationally. Twenty-four percent of eighth-graders scored proficient, compared to 33 percent nationally.

Reading achievement gaps between demographic groups were smaller in Oklahoma than the national average. The black/white gap in fourth grade, for example, was 18 points for Oklahoma students, compared to 26 points nationally. Similarly, the gap between students in poverty and students not in poverty in eighth grade was 18 points in Oklahoma, and 24 points nationally.

Oklahoma Watch is a nonprofit, nonpartisan media organization that produces in-depth and investigative journalism on a range of public-policy issues facing the state. For more Oklahoma Watch content, go to www.oklahomawatch.org.
 
What happens when the kids go home from school? What family is involved? Is "anyone" there that can get away from their "device" long enough to give a shit, or for that matter, get the kid(s) off the damned thing?

It starts at home, period. Yes, the competent adult supervisor here is a retired second grade teacher, so I'm biased. That said, I know teachers can only make so much difference without support on the home front.
 
I just don't buy the shift the blame thing. Teachers are responsible for teaching kids that two plus two is four and how to read. That is what they're paid to do. I can understand the decline in test scores because of the declining teacher pay. But we have raised teacher pay and I expect results and that comes in the form of testing results.
 
Im with jimmybob. If the worst ten percent of kids with degenerate parents were kicked out the test scores of the kids that have a chance would all go up. That’s what is dragging down these schools. Why learn shit when you aren’t going to get spanked, you aren’t going to get expelled and your parents don’t care if you learn 2+2.
 
Teachers will teach better with that extra $6100 in their pocket. They were slacking off the last few years.
 
I just don't buy the shift the blame thing. Teachers are responsible for teaching kids that two plus two is four and how to read. That is what they're paid to do. I can understand the decline in test scores because of the declining teacher pay. But we have raised teacher pay and I expect results and that comes in the form of testing results.

I DARE you to say that to my lovely darling wife.
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I just don't buy the shift the blame thing. Teachers are responsible for teaching kids that two plus two is four and how to read. That is what they're paid to do. I can understand the decline in test scores because of the declining teacher pay. But we have raised teacher pay and I expect results and that comes in the form of testing results.

It has nothing to do with shifting the blame. It obviously takes more for some students to achieve than what they can get at school, and that has to come from home.
 
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I DARE you to say that to my lovely darling wife.
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Your wife is the exception of the rule. I I know she goes above and beyond to try educate her students in new different in modern ways. My Hope Is that the state of Oklahoma can take the handcuffs off of all of the teachers to find innovative ways to reach and teach their students as your wife does.
 
Your wife is the exception of the rule. I I know she goes above and beyond to try educate her students in new different in modern ways. My Hope Is that the state of Oklahoma can take the handcuffs off of all of the teachers to find innovative ways to reach and teach their students as your wife does.

Innovative teaching was dying when the adult supervisor retired in '01 and was a big reason why she retired. I'm sure teaching to tests has greatly improved the environment since then.:rolleyes:
 
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