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Just pig out at the buffet table, they’ll never know you’re a spy.

Bwaaahahahahahahaha!
I love the word “crisis” here. No demonstrable damage occurred at Mar-a-Lago, but it’s a crisis.

As opposed to the border: People enter the country illegally, soak up benefits at taxpayer expense, commit all sorts of crimes including murder, import drugs that kill thousands...not a crisis.

Tell me when that makes sense.
 
Emoluments, our constitution. Give em both a looksie sometime.
How does Trump's businesses accepting payment for goods and services violate the emoluments clause? Nobody was fussing when the Clinton Foundation was taking in millions from foreign governments. She was even in violation of her own ethics agreement. That shitshow looked a lot closer to what the emoluments clause was actually written for than Trump's businesses accepting payments for goods and services.
 
How does Trump's businesses accepting payment for goods and services violate the emoluments clause? Nobody was fussing when the Clinton Foundation was taking in millions from foreign governments. She was even in violation of her own ethics agreement. That shitshow looked a lot closer to what the emoluments clause was actually written for than Trump's businesses accepting payments for goods and services.
President. It’s all the difference in the world.
 
OK. So lay out your case. If you want to have a pleasant discussion, so do I.
Nah, you're good. There are no heart or minds to win here. I’ve presented more than enough for you to chew on and a truly interested soul might take it upon themselves to reflect further on the past two years reporting. I’ll leave that up to you. Just remeber the water is always here for you to drink, you just have to see it.
 
Nah, you're good. There are no heart or minds to win here. I’ve presented more than enough for you to chew on and a truly interested soul might take it upon themselves to reflect further on the past two years reporting. I’ll leave that up to you. Just remeber the water is always here for you to drink, you just have to see it.
I saw you piss in that water. So no thanks!
 
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What Is the Emoluments Clause?
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The emoluments clause, also called the foreign emoluments clause, is a provision of the U.S. Constitution (Article I, Section 9, Paragraph 8) that generally prohibits federal officeholders from receiving any gift, payment, or other thing of value from a foreign state or its rulers, officers, or representatives. The clause provides that:No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

The Constitution also contains a “domestic emoluments clause” (Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 7), which prohibits the president from receiving any “Emolument” from the federal government or the states beyond “a Compensation” for his “Services” as chief executive.

The plain purpose of the foreign emoluments clause was to ensure that the country’s leaders would not be improperly influenced, even unconsciously, through gift giving, then a common and generally corrupt practice among European rulers and diplomats. An early version of the clause, modeled on a rule adopted by the Dutch Republic in 1651 that forbade its foreign ministers from receiving “any presents, directly or indirectly, in any manner or way whatever,” was incorporated into the Articles of Confederation (1781) as Article VI, Paragraph I: Nor shall any person holding any office of profit or trust under the United States, or any of them, accept any present, emolument, office or title of any kind whatever from any King, Prince or foreign State; nor shall the United States in Congress assembled, or any of them, grant any title of nobility.

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All but the prohibition of titles of nobility was dropped from the initial draft of the Constitution but eventually restored at the request of Charles Pinckney, who argued at the Constitutional Convention for “the necessity of preserving foreign Ministers & other officers of the U.S. independent of foreign influence.” The final text of the clause included a provision that permitted acceptance of foreign gifts with the explicit approval of Congress, perhaps reflecting the awkward experience of Benjamin Franklin, who as American minister to France had been presented with a bejeweled snuff box by Louis XVI and, not wishing to offend the king, asked Congress for permission to keep it (permission was granted).

Although there has been some debate regarding the exact meaning and scope of the foreign emoluments clause, nearly all scholars agree that it applies broadly to all federal officeholders, appointed or elected, up to and including the president. That interpretation is supported by the historical record, such as it is, of the Constitution’s drafting as well as by the past practice of presidential administrations and Congresses. Thus Edmund Jennings Randolph, one of the Framers, remarked at the Virginia ratifying convention that the clause protected against the danger of “the President receiving Emoluments from foreign powers,” even asserting that a president who violates the clause “may be impeached.” There was no recorded dissent from Randolph’s view. From at least the early 19th century, presidents who were offered gifts by foreign states routinely requested Congress’s permission to accept them, and foreign rulers were politely informed (sometimes by the president himself) of the constitutional restriction regarding gifts. (The sole exception seems to have been George Washington, who accepted a print from the French ambassador without consulting Congress.)

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The foreign emoluments clause also broadly encompasses any kind of profit, benefit, advantage, or service, not merely gifts of money or valuable objects. Thus, it would prohibit a federal officeholder from receiving special consideration in business transactions with a foreign state (or with a corporation owned or managed by a foreign state) that gave the officeholder a competitive advantage over other businesses. Arguably, as the legal scholar Laurence Tribe and others have suggested, the clause would forbid even competitively fair transactions with foreign states, because the profit accruing to the officeholder would fall within the ordinary meaning of “emolument,” and because such arrangements would threaten exactly the kind of improper influence that the clause was intended to prevent.
 
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What Is the Emoluments Clause?
WRITTEN BY: Brian Duignan
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145151-131-DA4315F9.jpg

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The emoluments clause, also called the foreign emoluments clause, is a provision of the U.S. Constitution (Article I, Section 9, Paragraph 8) that generally prohibits federal officeholders from receiving any gift, payment, or other thing of value from a foreign state or its rulers, officers, or representatives. The clause provides that:No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

The Constitution also contains a “domestic emoluments clause” (Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 7), which prohibits the president from receiving any “Emolument” from the federal government or the states beyond “a Compensation” for his “Services” as chief executive.

The plain purpose of the foreign emoluments clause was to ensure that the country’s leaders would not be improperly influenced, even unconsciously, through gift giving, then a common and generally corrupt practice among European rulers and diplomats. An early version of the clause, modeled on a rule adopted by the Dutch Republic in 1651 that forbade its foreign ministers from receiving “any presents, directly or indirectly, in any manner or way whatever,” was incorporated into the Articles of Confederation (1781) as Article VI, Paragraph I: Nor shall any person holding any office of profit or trust under the United States, or any of them, accept any present, emolument, office or title of any kind whatever from any King, Prince or foreign State; nor shall the United States in Congress assembled, or any of them, grant any title of nobility.

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All but the prohibition of titles of nobility was dropped from the initial draft of the Constitution but eventually restored at the request of Charles Pinckney, who argued at the Constitutional Convention for “the necessity of preserving foreign Ministers & other officers of the U.S. independent of foreign influence.” The final text of the clause included a provision that permitted acceptance of foreign gifts with the explicit approval of Congress, perhaps reflecting the awkward experience of Benjamin Franklin, who as American minister to France had been presented with a bejeweled snuff box by Louis XVI and, not wishing to offend the king, asked Congress for permission to keep it (permission was granted).

Although there has been some debate regarding the exact meaning and scope of the foreign emoluments clause, nearly all scholars agree that it applies broadly to all federal officeholders, appointed or elected, up to and including the president. That interpretation is supported by the historical record, such as it is, of the Constitution’s drafting as well as by the past practice of presidential administrations and Congresses. Thus Edmund Jennings Randolph, one of the Framers, remarked at the Virginia ratifying convention that the clause protected against the danger of “the President receiving Emoluments from foreign powers,” even asserting that a president who violates the clause “may be impeached.” There was no recorded dissent from Randolph’s view. From at least the early 19th century, presidents who were offered gifts by foreign states routinely requested Congress’s permission to accept them, and foreign rulers were politely informed (sometimes by the president himself) of the constitutional restriction regarding gifts. (The sole exception seems to have been George Washington, who accepted a print from the French ambassador without consulting Congress.)

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The foreign emoluments clause also broadly encompasses any kind of profit, benefit, advantage, or service, not merely gifts of money or valuable objects. Thus, it would prohibit a federal officeholder from receiving special consideration in business transactions with a foreign state (or with a corporation owned or managed by a foreign state) that gave the officeholder a competitive advantage over other businesses. Arguably, as the legal scholar Laurence Tribe and others have suggested, the clause would forbid even competitively fair transactions with foreign states, because the profit accruing to the officeholder would fall within the ordinary meaning of “emolument,” and because such arrangements would threaten exactly the kind of improper influence that the clause was intended to prevent.
I’m not interested in a cut and paste debate. I’m interested in your own thoughts.

Second half starting. Later.
 
I’m not interested in a cut and paste debate. I’m interested in your own thoughts.

Second half starting. Later.
Encyclopedia Britanica too dense for you? I mercy ruled you in the first half, we’ve got a running clock now and Im sure any attempted comeback will fall short, as expected.
 
Encyclopedia Britanica too dense for you? I mercy ruled you in the first half, we’ve got a running clock now and Im sure any attempted comeback will fall short, as expected.
A debate by proxy is not a debate.
 
President. It’s all the difference in the world.
The emoluments clause actually applies to all appointees of the executive branch as well as the president. Are you saying we should look the other way for anyone but the president?
 
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The emoluments clause actually applies to all appointees of the executive branch as well as the president. Are you saying we should look the other way for anyone but the president?
Not in any way shape or form. Once again though, no complaint was filed, no charges brought, by a Republican staffed FBI. Keep reaching for that Clinton whataboutism, it’s an easy return volley.
 
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There is no debate to be had when discussing plainly worded fact.
There is plenty of room to debate our interpretations of the meaning of the constitution, the definition of the word “emolument”, or whatever. That’s what this board is about. But you have made it clear that you’re not interested in that.

OK. Cool. Have a good evening.
 
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There is plenty of room to debate our interpretations of the meaning of the constitution, the definition of the word “emolument”, or whatever. That’s what this board is about. But you have made it clear that you’re not interested in that.

OK. Cool. Have a good evening.
The Supreme Court will either decide or allow a lower courts ruling to stand when the lawsuit that was filed the Monday after trumps inauguration regarding emoluments hits their desks. Until then any “debate” is a waste of time. The ink on the parchment is quite clear and so far the courts agree with me. Enjoy your evening.
 
Not in any way shape or form. Once again though, no complaint was filed, no charges brought, by a Republican staffed FBI. Keep reaching for that easy Clinton whataboutism, it’s an easy return volley.
I'm not reaching for anything. It's a simple comparison. We're talking Foundation, not emails. You and the Republican staffed FBI bit is hysterical though. Did you miss all of the emails and text messages from those Clinton lackeys on purpose? Last time I checked, the Democrat staffed special counsel didn't bring any charges against Trump.

What do charges and the FBI have to do with a conversation about emoluments anyhow?
 
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The Supreme Court will either decide or allow a lower courts ruling to stand when the lawsuit that was filed the Monday after trumps inauguration regarding emoluments hits their desks. Until then any “debate” is a waste of time. The ink on the parchment is quite clear and so far the courts agree with me. Enjoy your evening.
I'm hoping emoluments is your new muh Russia. Watching you guys have meltdowns when your conspiracies dry up is priceless.
 
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I'm hoping emoluments is your new muh Russia. Watching you guys have meltdowns when your conspiracies dry up is priceless.
L-O-L ask JD the next time around about me and emoluments. He didn’t even know what it or constitutional law was.
 
I'm not reaching for anything. It's a simple comparison. We're talking Foundation, not emails. You and the Republican staffed FBI bit is hysterical though. Did you miss all of the emails and text messages from those Clinton lackeys on purpose? Last time I checked, the Democrat staffed special counsel didn't bring any charges against Trump.

What do charges and the FBI have to do with a conversation about emoluments anyhow?
Presidents can’t be charged according to the DOJ OLC but you know that. Emoluments are a political. It is up to the Congress to decide. Having a court rule wether it’s constitutional will lead to a violation of the emoluments clause as a high crime and misdemeanor, good for impeachment and conviction.
 
Why would I ask JD about you and emoluments? I've got you here in the flesh.
Because ;) also, poor choice of words. Unless you're one of the two bitchs currently sitting shotgun to me, it’s only via the magic of the interwebs that I grace you with my presence.
 
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