Since Ronald Reagan, My favorite presidents are 1. Trump 2. Clinton The others? not a fan.
Just an observation...state of debate and opinions
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Since Ronald Reagan, My favorite presidents are 1. Trump 2. Clinton The others? not a fan.
Like I indicated, I had checked out of the "national MSM narrative" for a long time and then saw it again in 2016 and was shocked. What I saw concerned me, I was interested to see some of the thoughts over here. I was frankly impressed with the level of nuanced debate that was happening here. Not saying it was perfect at all because talking politics can always get very heated. But I was impressed that among OSU grads and across the various political leanings, on this Board, the vitriol here was far less than what I was seeing nationally. That is just my opinion. Not that way today.
So, we have seen all the videos on Obama's position on immigration while he was in office. The second Trump's hand came off the bible after he was sworn in, the very Dems that praised Obama, labeled Trump and those that voted for him racist, for Trump basically having the exact same position on immigration as Obama other than a wall. That was going to be how to attack Trump while the insurance policy was waiting to unfold. The Dems stonewalled on EVERY turn to try to do ANYTHING on immigration, just to label Trump a racist, and by default all of his voters. The intellectual dishonesty and the hate politics of this nanosecond shift in Dem policy thinking IMO was the beginning of ratcheting up the hate politics to an all new level. So, unfortunately with this nanosecond shift in "policy thinking", all because of who was elected and the obvious hate for Trump from the left, it was obvious there was no intellectual honesty that was going to come from the left in regards to Trump, which means all those now labeled racists that voted for him knew there was no place you could intelligently talk politics when it came to Trump. From deplorables to bigoted racists in a nanosecond.
Not sure today why you post here, IF you are wanting to change opinions, you are not going about it intelligently. Seems to me, now you like to post something once a day just to troll and poke the bear and get a laugh, then you actually get pulled in to a debate in earnest, and because your hate of Trump has now cost you any remaining intellectual honesty you had left, you take a serious beat down in terms of a fact based conversation and hypocrisy. Trump supporters are not angry or mad, we do not have hate clouding our judgment right now. Hillary is a punchline, she is history.
I did state this board was heavily slanted to the conservative side, but if I wanted to really change people's opinions, you can not call Trump a racist for his immigration position and not also call Obama one, you have to be able to explain the nanosecond change of a "policy position". If you are going to establish intellectual honesty, you have to grudgingly admit when Trump has succeeded, by doing so, you gain trust and people will become more open minded on your concerns with the man. If I was on a Board that was heavily leftist in thought, that is how I would go about it. Unfortunately at this time in our history for many of the reasons I stated earlier, just not gonna happen right now.
I learned really young I made really bad decisions when I was angry, I was fortunate I learned this, I know it has saved me from many bad decisions. If I am angered about something I do not address it until I can think it thru without my internal voice rising or getting that triggered feeling. The worst for me professionally was 1 week, the worst for me personally (hurts more) was 6 months. But I benefited from keeping my mouth shut until I could talk without anger and not have my message and decision making process destroyed by hate or anger, both of the situations ended well, had I spoke up out of anger right now my entire life would look different IMO.
You have to reward good behavior and Trump gets this and the Dems mock him for it. If you have a nasty mean pit bull and your decision is to not put him down but to retrain him, you have to reward good behavior with positive reinforcement EVERY SINGLE TIME. That is your only hope, that is what Trump does with Kim Jung and Putin, if you can not put them down, your only choice is to engage and when they do something we like you have to reward them publicly, you can ALWAYS put them back in their kennel. Changing behavior takes time. The Dems do not get this when it comes to world leaders, it seems to me once you hate them, you either just ignore them totally and let the situation get worse, or try to buy (bribe) their change in behavior. Permanent change in behavior takes a long time. We tried some weird positive reinforcement with Iran under Obama ( it was combination of ignoring and buying off). Trump is now going to negative reinforcement on Iran which is a last resort and he inherited it, but I bet if Iran makes a step in the right direction he will publicly pat them on the back and compliment them and what a great conversation he had and how well they are getting along.
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I like discussing issues with people that I disagree with. Discussing topics with people that I agree with isn't challenging and offers no chance at me expanding my thinking.
I agree, but there is no sense in re-hashing things 15 times over 3 years and no one is willing to budge on their view. You have to know when to stop wasting your time and effort.
I didn't vote for DT last time but I may next time and a portion of my reasoning will be the incessant attacks. Nothing unites better than being constantly under fire.
I agree with everything you said except Libs making us miserable. I cannot speak for everyone but they make me laugh, they are the ones making themselves miserable and its hilarious to me. I don't think they would enjoy being happy, it would be a weird experience for them.
Reminds me of a Woman I once knew, she was always in a bad mood and just had a terrible outlook on life.
She finally got on some type of anti depressant and everyone noticed a big difference, she was happy, very outgoing and her outlook on everything changed. After a while she was back to her old self, quiet, withdrawn and just miserable. I asked her what had happened and if she was still taking her meds? She said no, I didn't like the way it made me feel. She was so used to being miserable that feeling good was weird to her and she didn't like it so she quit taking her meds.
I may not have not been clear, they are trying to make us miserable. I am not miserable, just want to win the 2020 election and I want a fair and speedy investigation in to the Steele Dossier.
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I’ve been thinking that the Meuller deal yesterday really showed how split this country is. The left and right saw two completely different testimonies yesterday. It’s crazy to see it Twitter. Literally right next to each will be a Pub confidently saying the left “lost” yesterday and Trump is clean, and then a Dem saying the right “lost” and Trump is dirty. When in reality, as always w our congress, nothing was accomplished yesterday. It’s really quite remarkable and sad. There’s very little true conversation and debate these days.
The facts are Muellers report and testimony. There really is no debate. One side is ignoring them the otherside is imploring people to look at and read them.
Of course you don’t, because you’re the son of a Cold War hero. Next to the congressional Medal of Honor ... that’s the pinnacle.
Well that side has has the ability to do something about those facts in the house since the report has been released. Why haven’t they done it?
I’m not sure, but I’d bet it’s a political calculation considering the entrenchment of the otherside. They believe that if they impeach the president with a Senate that will not do anything with it then the President will claim he is exonerated or found not guilty. It’s a horrible situation.
That's exactly why they won't go forward with articles of impeachment right now. They know they will die swiftly.
I still object to them attempting to use the investigation for purely political purposes hoping they can take the Senate and or keep Trump from getting reelected.
I essentially agree with Mueller on this. He has done his job...now it is time for them to do theirs.
Exactly my point, it’s all political. If they were really worried about what happened from a moral standpoint, they’d have already done it without worrying about the political drawbacks. This is all grandstanding.
Many of the apologists have shifted and vacated. That's what they do. They'll vote for Trump next time or won't vote.
Before Josh blew us up at the old OOB, most of the Sooner libs had gone underground. The Cowboy board still has some. An invitation brought us running. Here we are. You Cowboys have a front row seat to watch what we've already seen. You've retained more who don't care than we were able.
The Socialists have trotted out 20 who promise economic stagnation, rationed health care, elevation in crime stats and among you there's those who are eager to vote for what repulses most of us.
Enjoy!
Before Josh blew us up at the old OOB, most of the Sooner libs had gone underground. The Cowboy board still has some. An invitation brought us running. Here we are. You Cowboys have a front row seat to watch what we've already seen. You've retained more who don't care than we were able.
The Socialists have trotted out 20 who promise economic stagnation, rationed health care, elevation in crime stats and among you there's those who are eager to vote for what repulses most of us.
Enjoy!
For me:
Pilt
Toon - Try to keep up with him, incarnations a good word.
Pokebear
Syskatine thinks the Dems and himself are experts on racism, but he is the gift that keeps giving, he serves up posts that makes it easy to expose the hypocrisy of the Dems on racism. But I can see putting Sys on ignore, degenerated to a hateful troll for the most part. I also love watching Mega own him, good times.
Some I do not pay much attention to.
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I'm pretty happy about the state of American politics right now. The radicals aren't getting much traction on anything. It's about time.
It seems that way, but we all should have learned something from the last election, human behavior when it comes to voting is unpredictable.
I knew when Trump was elected it was most likely to make the Libs go further left, boy we had no idea it would be a HARD turn left.
Next election will be interesting, I would like to see Trump to allow the DOJ IG report and the related investigations do the dirty work of dragging the perpetrators thru the mud, he needs to refer to it IMO, but not tweet constantly on it. They have so much good economic news to discuss and sell, he needs to HAMMER this home. Dims have kept him distracted, he has so much to talk about, and he needs to hang the immigration problem around their neck like a noose and frankly it is not hard to do. They ignored his warnings and called it manufactured for over 2 years.
He needs to be careful on Iran, he needs to not let Bolton and Co bait him in to a war. Iran might bait him to get him out of office. We are energy independent now thanks to Trump’s deregulations, he has given us this option to avoid war over oil. He needs to communicate all of this, it is YUGE.
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I've mastered the art of "speed mousing" which skips over the insipid twits' drivel. Otherwise, Orange
Roberto will forever remain on ignore.
And that's why you aren't taken seriously. There is a massive debate. Obviously.
This is where I am generally. I do not enjoy politics particularly, but I love to debate. Being a fairly true centrist makes it entertaining and picking up on other things. I disagree with Been Jammin on the sooner invasion, I have actually enjoyed it (even the drag queen thread). In science, I want to see all explanations, so I see this similarly (albeit this is more opinion than fact-based). I do tend to take frequent breaks as it can just get ridiculous at times.
Good question. Exactly how am I supposed to constructively engage OP's brother? Seriously, how do you debate him?
