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Josh Duggar's Shame and Ours

Could you not write this same article about "honey boo boo", the "Kardashians", "Real Housewives", and any other number of shows that make up "reality" TV today?
Are any of those shows advertised as an example of "charming traditionalism?"

With that said, the author of the article did reference a flaw of reality TV show:

"The reality-TV model convinces viewers they're participating - almost - in the lives of the stars. The Duggars in particular sold a rosy vision. Their family was so charming, so engaging, that people would wnat to belong."

"I felt then, and still feel now, that the presence of cameras in their lives made escape more difficult, that a person can't be entertainment and liberated at the same time . . . the cameras worked like a fence and kept the children inside while people gawked on the outside. That's what it means to be a witness."
 
Are any of those shows advertised as an example of "charming traditionalism?"

With that said, the author of the article did reference a flaw of reality TV show:

"The reality-TV model convinces viewers they're participating - almost - in the lives of the stars. The Duggars in particular sold a rosy vision. Their family was so charming, so engaging, that people would wnat to belong."

"I felt then, and still feel now, that the presence of cameras in their lives made escape more difficult, that a person can't be entertainment and liberated at the same time . . . the cameras worked like a fence and kept the children inside while people gawked on the outside. That's what it means to be a witness."
Ehh. They're all examples of TV celebrating cultural extremism and attempting to normalize it. Whether thats southern hillbilly with Swamp People or Moonshiners, traditionalism (as they called it) with the Duggars, or HipHop as seen with the various Housewives series.
 
One note. I do feel shame. I feel shame and embarrasment when I see that these shows have people that are completely absorbed with them. That shows like the Bachelor have been on for a dozen or more years and have multiple spin-offs. The idiocy of our society has sunken to depths that I simply cannot fathom.
 
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One note. I do feel shame. I feel shame and embarrasment when I see that these shows have people that are completely absorbed with them. That shows like the Bachelor have been on for a dozen or more years and have multiple spin-offs. The idiocy of our society has sunken to depths that I simply cannot fathom.
So, you believe the culture represented by the Duggars is extremism?
 
Ok.

So then, all those who agreed and aligned with the Duggars' share in a part of that extreme version of a culture?
/eyeroll. What is your deal with trying to attach extremism to everyone? We know you are an extremist as evidenced by your history of posts, but most normal people can watch TV and even enjoy a show, without A) believing its all real and B) agreeing with every part and parcel of it.

BTW, I'm done with this thread. I've already spent way more time talking about a show I don't give an F about. I thought you wanted to talk about your article, but its clear that you have no ability to think critically and apply the story to anything beyond the exact scope of what you were told. The fact you got stuck on the term "traditionalism" demonstrates this fact.

So as I posted in the other thread:

Take this as nodding my head and walking away.
 
You didn't even read the article, did you?

If you had, you wouldn't have made this silly comment.
Have absolutely zero interest in reading an article about some reality TV moron or the sheep that watch that trash. I get enough of that by reading your posts.
 
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I’ll play. What is the “culture represented by the duggers?”

This should be good!
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I thought you wanted to talk about your article, but its clear that you have no ability to think critically and apply the story to anything beyond the exact scope of what you were told.
I do want to talk about the article. I've never stated I don't disagree with what you are posting, have I? I am simply asking questions for clarification purposes. I am trying to understand your position more.

For some reason, you (like some other posters on this board) immediately assume a question represents hostility.
 
Yes, they appeared to be anti child porn the whole time. Total frauds.
Let me get this straight. They have a tv show in which they made a big issue about being against child pornography. And then they showed child porn on their show? Or it turns out that unbeknownst to the people who watched their show they were engaged in child porn on the sly. And now they’ve been caught, so @my_2cents wants to paint the viewers who knew nothing about their dirty little secret as accomplices. Is that what this is all about?
 
I’ll play. What is the “culture represented by the duggers?”
Good question. I didn't reference the cultural extremism of this show, @aix_xpert did. Why are you asking me?

I'd be more than glad to have you ask him what is the extreme version of their culture that the Duggers represented. I'd like to read his answer.
 
Good question. I didn't reference the cultural extremism of this show, @aix_xpert did. Why are you asking me?

I'd be more than glad to have you ask him what is the extreme version of the culture that the Duggers represented. I'd like to read his answer.
While you’re awaiting his answer maybe you’ll be kind enough to answer mine.
 
Again, I tried but it wanted me to sign in and I don’t want to be on their mailing list.
Also, you didn’t say that is what you wanted to do. I was speculating, that’s why so much of what I wrote ended in question marks.
 
In what part of any American culture is 19 kids normal. (I didn't say wrong. I said normal). That alone demonstrates the extremism that warranted them being put on TV, and invalidates them as being representative of others in normal society. Even those who may watch it (which isn't me).
 
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Again, I tried but it wanted me to sign in and I don’t want to be on their mailing list.

Josh Duggar’s Shame and Ours: Why did America fall in love with a family of extremists?

By Sarah Jones

To bypass software installed on his computer to prevent him from viewing pornography, Josh Duggar installed a separate operating system and a “browser capable of encryption,” the Northwest Arkansas Democrat-Gazette reported. With those tools, he downloaded child pornography, some depicting the abuse of children younger than 12. And though he pleaded not guilty, a federal jury concluded otherwise and convicted him this week on one count each of receiving and possessing child pornography. He faces decades in prison.

This otherwise ordinary case appeared in the Associated Press and the New York Times and Variety because he is famous, a celebrity known initially for his reality-TV show career. For years, Duggar appeared with his siblings on TLC’s 19 Kids and Counting, which portrayed his large and conservative family as something at once alien and relatable. How unusual to have so many children, yet how recognizable their family life appeared to be — that was TLC’s pitch to the nation, and it worked. The Duggars were stars.

What TLC pitched as charming traditionalism was really a form of extremism. Before Duggar destroyed his life, he worked as a lobbyist for the Family Research Council, a prominent anti-LGBTQ+ hate group. The Duggars campaigned against abortion rights as a family well after they’d become famous. A year before the public learned of Duggar’s abusive past, his mother, Michelle Duggar, recorded a robocall against an anti-discrimination measure in Fayetteville, Arkansas. The measure, she would, would allow “males with past child-predator convictions that claim they are female to have a legal right to enter private areas that are reserved for women and girls.”

Not long afterward, Duggar admitted to molesting five girls as a teenager, including four of his sisters. The family stood by him — they had known and buried the story for years — but they lost their TV show. The right-wing former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee defended Josh after the molestation story broke in 2015. “They are no more perfect a family than any family, but their Christian witness is not marred in our eyes because following Christ is not a declaration of our perfection, but of HIS perfection,” Huckabee wrote on Facebook. That confession would not be Duggar’s last, though. He watched pornography; he cheated on his wife; he was very sorry. He disappeared from television, but TLC and the Duggars had money to make, so the network debuted another reality show, this one focused on his adult siblings. The family had become a spectacle; maybe it could no longer be anything else.

The popularity of the Duggar family indicts not only TLC but also the show’s fan base, who were committed enough to family that not even the molestation story could force them off air. The reality-TV model convinces viewers they’re participating — almost — in the lives of its stars. The Duggars in particular sold a rosy vision. Their family was so charming, so engaging, that people would want to belong. With the Duggars, devout Christians all, a missionary zealotry infested their performance. The family’s faith transmitted a powerful appeal. Audiences spent years with them and watched the kids grow up, find love, and marry.

Yet fame always costs. The Duggar parents struck a bargain with TLC on behalf of their brood, which included children too young to consent to their notoriety. What does it say about TLC — about us — that the Duggars could become so famous? That their patriarchal lives seemed quaint to so many? The Duggars never felt like anything but a threat to me; though my own family never approached their extremes, we did practice an adjacent version of Christian fundamentalism. Yet I had a basic measure of personal freedom. Unlike the Duggar girls, I wore pants and kept my hair bobbed. My parents even put me in public school — eventually — and assumed I’d go to college, even if they did hope I’d meet a Christian man there. (I did not.)

The small freedoms I possessed eluded the Duggar children. I felt then, and still feel now, that the presence of cameras in their lives made escape more difficult, that a person can’t be entertainment and liberated at the same time. The Duggar children didn’t even have the distance actors can claim from their roles. Maybe the Duggar parents knew this, too. The cameras worked like a fence and kept the children inside while people gawked on the outside. That’s what it means to be a witness. The Duggars wanted to set an example to others, and TLC helped them do it for years. While the family performed for the camera, they involved themselves ever more deeply with the Christian right. Not content to limit the freedom of their children, they sought to limit the freedom of others. The long skirts, the overflowing household, and the early marriages of their children were never personal choices alone but lives they hoped to force on others.

The Duggars are what they claimed to be: an all-American family. If there’s anything to glean from the tragedy of Josh Duggar’s life and crimes, it’s this — extremism wears a familiar face. The Duggars could become popular only in a nation whose traditional values mirrored their own. Hypocrisy and cruelty are as American as the flag. The Duggars merely took on the qualities of their environment and perfected them, all for willing audiences. Josh Duggar’s story is, hopefully, at an end. The rest of his family may finally move on and out of the public’s lights. The rest of us will have to reckon with what they’ve left behind.
 
Also, you didn’t say that is what you wanted to do. I was speculating, that’s why so much of what I wrote ended in question marks.
Stop speculating then. I linked to the article because I found it interesting and also because I wanted @Corndog2021 's take on it. I'm not even saying I agree with everything in the article, lol! I thought it was worth discussion, that is all.
 
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