I personally didn't like the Iran deal ( like my opinion matters anyway) but, I strongly believe that when the US makes a deal, we have to stick by it. I know President Trump markets himself as a "deal maker" ,but there is a big difference in business deals and international political deals.........just look at us pulling out of negotiations for the TPP.......when we stopped negotiations the other countries involved didn't throw up their hands and say "oh no the US pulled out what do we do now" , they just kept going and negotiated with China , and they have now taken over our place and we are left with gaining nothing.........
John Ketchup Kerry is trying to save his Iran "deal"
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Except it didn't curtail their ability to produce or obtain weapons grade material. Do the inspectors cover every square foot of Iran? Iran sought IR-8 centrifuges to greatly expand their capacity for enrichment to weapons grade material. Guess what they have been installing after agreeing to scrap most of their IR-1 centrifuges? The deal allows them to upgrade to IR-8 and gives them the much needed funding and legitimization of the signatory countries to do so.
Saudi Arabia never bought in to the deal. They've been against it from the beginning for very viable reasons, namely that it won't actually accomplish anything. Iran was the sole winner of the historically bad "deal." Saudi Arabia made it publicly known that the Iran deal was a green light for them to pursue nuclear ability despite US opposition.
I'm not going to try to change your mind, but I would just urge you to consider the possibility there is a much bigger plan and longer game in play here with the US, Saudis and Israel as regards Iran.
With your background, I'm just surprised that you think we randomly stopped negotiations and this has thrown other countries into frustrated confusion. I mean, you may be right, but the strong possibility exists that you are underestimating the purpose and plan. no?
I have never seen a civilian love a potus like you do. Everything he does is brilliant. It's a running comedy act.
This guy has totally hypnotized a mass of feeble minded to hang on his every word. Amazing.
"This guy has totally hypnotized a mass of feeble minded to hang on his every word. Amazing."
He has, it's just not the people you think it is.
He has, it's just not the people you think it is.
it's ok sys. i may be feeble minded and brainwashed, but that's got to just make it hurt even worse when nothing brings this guy's approval numbers down far enough to matter, and i never have to admit you were right, huh?
the more trump wins and the more he does not get sunk by things like this, the more you double down on underestimating him. it's truly remarkable!
regardless, i'm truly glad you feel that way. i hope it's genuine and i hope it's soul-deep.
i hope this billboard / phonebook lawyer's scam gets your hopes up (way... way up), and i hope you still in your heart of hearts believe mueller is going to deliver trump-russia collusion even though he can't get a guy sentenced who pled guilty last year.
but hey! the great thing is someone will eat shit over this russia stuff.
I know you didn't ask me, but since Obama did the Iran deal solely for the optics of doing a deal and some ridiculously naïve hope Iran would stop hating us, this one is a 10 for me. Should have never been done in the first place. We've all seen what Iran has been using their new cash for, and it isn't the "infrastructure and economy" that the Obama dipshits tried to sell us, unless somehow funding terrorist groups, buying and developing ballistic missiles, and buying air defense equipment from Russia is somehow now classified as "infrastructure and economy."
Even after obama's "brilliant deal" the "Death to America!" chants continued, as they have since the 70's. Anyone that trusts that batshit crazy regime is batshit crazy themselves.
when you can’t think of anything to say except “yeah, well you like Donald trump.”
This wasn't an American deal with Iran, it was Obama's deal with Iran.
As has been said, if he wanted it to stick, he should have sent it to the Senate for ratification.
Obama wasn't king and neither is Trump.
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Oh I can think of lots to say, but it's like a sign on a certain judge's wall: Never try to teach a hog to sing. It's a waste of your time and irritates the hog. It has become an instant insult to about 60% of the country that means you've been socially adjudicated as either a moron or ape: "He likes Trump." Like... to the point of buying into authoritarian charisma because one lacks a positive sense of self. Like the Bob Roberts guys. Jack Black perfectly played you 25 years ago.
Oh I can think of lots to say, but it's like a sign on a certain judge's wall: Never try to teach a hog to sing. It's a waste of your time and irritates the hog. It has become an instant insult to about 60% of the country that means you've been socially adjudicated as either a moron or ape: "He likes Trump." Like... to the point of buying into authoritarian charisma because one lacks a positive sense of self. Like the Bob Roberts guys. Jack Black perfectly played you 25 years ago.
I know it would be easier for you if that were true. It explains a lot about you that you have to simplify complex context and data into dehumanizing insults. So because I’m happy with Trump’s job performance, I’m either a Moron or I’m aping authoritarian charisma because I lack a positive sense of self....
Is there any remaining part of you that can say that out loud and realize how hysterical (both definitions) that is?
Also - you are wrong about 60% of the country thinking that about a guy who thinks trump is doing ok. But please keep telling yourself that. For real.
Oh I can think of lots to say, but it's like a sign on a certain judge's wall: Never try to teach a hog to sing. It's a waste of your time and irritates the hog. It has become an instant insult to about 60% of the country that means you've been socially adjudicated as either a moron or ape: "He likes Trump." Like... to the point of buying into authoritarian charisma because one lacks a positive sense of self. Like the Bob Roberts guys. Jack Black perfectly played you 25 years ago.
The once mighty Sys.
Broken.
Sad.
Trump grabbed him by the pussy. Humiliating.
Good gawd, hogs have always known how to sing; hell, Forty-North had a pseudo choir (or so I was told by a friend). Go tend to your frozen maple trees; they need all the attention you can give 'em.
Iran breaks deal so US decides they won’t honor deal = why would anyone trust US again.
NK has deals and broke them = why trust NK again
Just a bunch of Trump is the bad guy and obviously wrong confirmation bias.
My goodness there are some dumb fvcks in here. Many of you are going to have a rough spring, summer, and fall
NK has deals and broke them = why trust NK again
Just a bunch of Trump is the bad guy and obviously wrong confirmation bias.
My goodness there are some dumb fvcks in here. Many of you are going to have a rough spring, summer, and fall
Exactly. Why wouldn't they sign off on Obama's shitty and naive deal? Because it was a shitty and naive deal? How dare them not agree to a shitty and naive deal!
*Idiot gooner thinks all of Iran’s centrifuges were up and running during Iran deal, never bothered to research aspects of said deal*
I really don't hold pols opinions in high regard, but Mattis is another matter.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...eal-inadequate-withdrawal-not-hasty-decision/
http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...eal-inadequate-withdrawal-not-hasty-decision/
I'm not the dipshit thinking it was a good deal. Then again, I actually read.
It's painfully obvious the Kenyan Goat Herder and his crack team of Iranian ass kissers were in way over their heads. Idiots desperately wanting Iran to like the US vs. the guy whose life work was Iranian nuclear bomb creation. Too easy for the Iranian.
Gooner? Is that all you have? Lol. This Gooner has lapped you numerous times in life. Suck your thumb to that reality, Live at Home Loser.
Lol.
Carry on.
I don't consider Mattis a pol. He seems to be a very straight shooter. And he's correct.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...&gwh=9D26CAC63FFB14BCE96545DBF9365B82&gwt=pay
#facts have never been kind to Medic lol
#facts have never been kind to Medic lol
I’d have felt way differently if the ex-rodent in chief had had the treaty run through congress and ratified. He didn’t so screw him, the bucket loads of cash he sent and the mullah’s! It really is time (actually has been for decades) to quit self-screwing ourselves and get out of bad deals with bad players. I feel the same way about the UN as well.
You think a Republican majority Senate would’ve ratified Obama’s Iran deal...
I have some beachfront property in Montana to sell - discounted even!
It’s a good thing nobama wrote all those executive orders in pencil. Makes it so much easier.
Of course they wouldn't have ratified that shitty deal. That's why Obama never submitted it as a treaty. If he had, and it had been ratified then Trump's hands would be tied. Trump wouldn't have had the ability to unilaterally withdraw from the deal if Obama hadn't acted unilaterally.
That's the point being made here.
No you don’t. You don’t even own 1 acre in Anadarko.
Politico wasn't too flattering with the Iran deal and they are a liberal publication.
Obama's Hidden Iran Deal Giveaway.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/24/obama-iran-nuclear-deal-prisoner-release-236966
