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ITT let's discuss Obama's efforts to curb Chicago violence

I would disagree with the bolded statement above. There are a ton of opportunities for the Feds to go into Chicago to investigate both violations of the Brady Act and other federal firearms crimes (use of a firearm in furtherance of a criminal enterprise, use of a firearm in furtherance of a drug trafficking offense, use of a firearm in furtherance of a federal crime of violence.....of which there are a bunch). They come in investigating those, discover or decide they are not going to be prosecuted federally and then simply turn them over to the state.

Ironically, it's all those evil "gun control" laws that end up giving Trump the authority to do what he appears to be proposing.

JD, my comment was more about the issue of dealing with actual homicides. I was in agreement that the Fed's clearly have some jurisdiction (original or concurrent) in respect to "gun" issues.

But my question still revolves around, is there any evidence that the FBI (under Comey) has NOT been involved in Chicago the last several years doing that sort of thing all along?
 
JD, my comment was more about the issue of dealing with actual homicides. I was in agreement that the Fed's clearly have some jurisdiction (original or concurrent) in respect to "gun" issues.

But my question still revolves around, is there any evidence that the FBI (under Comey) has NOT been involved in Chicago the last several years doing that sort of thing all along?

It was your statement "But in the vast majority of cases and in particular homicide...." there would be no jurisdiction that I took issue with. I would contend that in a majority of gun related offenses in Chicago, the Feds would have jurisdiction to investigate.

As far evidence that the FBI has not been doing that sort of thing all along, I've personally heard speak at least three times in the past year, I know Agents in the Chicago District....and I'm of the strong opinion approaching certainty that fighting street crime through the pursuit and prosecution of federal firearms crimes hasn't been a focus. Not interested in trying to google up internet reports to resolve your question to your satisfaction so you can give my statement whatever weight you want.
 
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Ok, so please point me to that section of the Constitution which gives "power" to the executive branch to do anything about crime in an individual state? The reality is that EVERY President, is severely limited under the Constitution as to what they can do in a matter where the State's have been given autonomous authority under the Constitution. (Which includes creating criminal laws, state justice systems, criminal courts, and enforcement of those laws.)

I'll amend my answer to address HSH's question about "sending in the 'Feds'"? Again, please point to me where in the Constitution where the President has more say about enforcing state criminal statutes than the State that created them. Secondly, where from within the Constitution would the President derive his power/authority to do so?

Glad to see you're on the states' rights bandwagon!
 
It was your statement "But in the vast majority of cases and in particular homicide...." there would be no jurisdiction that I took issue with. I would contend that in a majority of gun related offenses in Chicago, the Feds would have jurisdiction to investigate.

As far evidence that the FBI has not been doing that sort of thing all along, I've personally heard speak at least three times in the past year, I know Agents in the Chicago District....and I'm of the strong opinion approaching certainty that fighting street crime through the pursuit and prosecution of federal firearms crimes hasn't been a focus. Not interested in trying to google up internet reports to resolve your question to your satisfaction so you can give my statement whatever weight you want.

JD, that's why I was asking the question. If the FBI needs to change focus and/or the office there needs to be supplemented with additional agents, then so be it.

Kind of off-topic to what we're discussing but I'm damned curious as to what happened there the last two years that the city went from virtual 50 yrs lows in terms of homicides to this recent "blow-up"? I really can't think of anything that set things off. Especially, when no other major cities appear to have suffered a similar fate.
 
JD, that's why I was asking the question. If the FBI needs to change focus and/or the office there needs to be supplemented with additional agents, then so be it.

Kind of off-topic to what we're discussing but I'm damned curious as to what happened there the last two years that the city went from virtual 50 yrs lows in terms of homicides to this recent "blow-up"? I really can't think of anything that set things off. Especially, when no other major cities appear to have suffered a similar fate.

@hollywood, in chicago the police has stopped hitting the beat, they only react to calls. This is why murders are way up, I believe the Police is waiting for the murder rate to get so high they make their point and they will be told you will no longer be considered guilty until proven innocent on shootings and please go police and work the beat. The police is turning their heads unless they get a call. Police actions are down like 80,000 per month in chicago and part of this is also the new report the mayor of chicago requires the police to fill out every time they get involved with the public, police says it takes an hour to fill out. Mayor wants to stop racial profiling and all he has done is create more murder, combined with prior leadership creating a hostile environment towards police and the assumption every shooting is racially motivated. I saw a investigative report in which they had the former chicago police chief that was fired discussing this as well as some chicago cops whose identity was disguised.

Think about it, Obama from the bully pulpit said Police in this country was racist, for the small percentage of bad apples all cops were labeled racist. Black lives matter movement started which turned racially charged. Cops all over this country are under the microscope, and anytime a white officer shoots a minority it is now assumed it was racially motivated. Cops are considered guilty until proven innocent, look at the shooting of cops in Dallas in Baton Rouge. If you were a cop today, would you aggressively police your beat if you knew if you shot someone in what you felt like was self defense and it was a minority and chances are you most likely are going to jail and be called a racist what would you do? Cops in chicago only respond to calls they get from the radio in their car, if they see a fight late at night in an alley they are no longer getting involved, or a suspected drug deal, etc... Some believe it has gone so far as the cops wait for 30 minutes after the radio call with the thought process when they arrive the bad guys would have resolved it themselves, usually by shoot outs. But hey, no racial profiling occurred and we saved another racially motivated cop from killing a minority. I guess it is ok the death count rises as long as it is minorities killing minorities. Feds are going to have to step in and it will be ugly and they will call Trump racist for trying to restore order.

It is happening here in OKC as well, I know a female that quit working for the Sheriff's Office because they were told point blank if they are involved in a shooting they would have to prove why it was justified and the assumption would be it was not. This women quit immediately, she was small and said she knew a man could physically over power her if he went for her gun and she said if she was not getting the benefit of the doubt she was done. They had a meeting and this was a few years ago and they were explained this new "policy" that was not even in writing. Under "stand your ground" laws in oklahoma a civilian has more rights.

We need to support the police, or the minority communities better start cranking out minority police officers fast so we can stop racial tensions or the killings will continue. Obama left a mess nationally and it sure is ironic his home town is the most worst off for it.

Most thankless jobs in this country today is being a cop and being a teacher in a school in which there is anarchy in the class room and that is a bunch of schools including some in Oklahoma.
 
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Most thankless jobs in this country today is being a cop and being a teacher in a school in which there is anarchy in the class room and that is a bunch of schools including some in Oklahoma.
Hopefully the newfound optimism in the country will allow parents, administrators, and elected officials to grow some balls and stop the inmates from running the asylum. I would say "put the grown-ups back in charge", but, many of the grown-ups are responsible for enabling the inmates and abdicating their responsibilities. Schools are for educating and not childcare. Anyone not wanting to learn should be ushered out the door. We spend far too much money on education to accept the results we are getting.
 
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Hopefully the newfound optimism in the country will allow parents, administrators, and elected officials to grow some balls and stop the inmates from running the asylum. I would say "put the grown-ups back in charge", but, many of the grown-ups are responsible for enabling the inmates and abdicating their responsibilities. Schools are for educating and not childcare. Anyone not wanting to learn should be ushered out the door. We spend far too much money on education to accept the results we are getting.

you have admin more interested in protecting their careers than getting involved with taking any kind of stand
 
Yes. And there is no reason on Earth that school superintendents get paid what they get. It's obscene for a superintendent to get $350,000/yr plus.

i have zero problem with my kids small school super making 110k. the man works 100 hours a week and is able to be a leader in a small town that has his back.

you get to the larger underperforming districts where change is truly necessary yet not changing and admin and the system they ride is a problem
 
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