Is Islam Merely a Religion?

[Bitter Creek]

It's not a religion, it's a political movement and has been from the very beginning. There's nothing we can do that's going to stop them from wanting to kill us. We go over there and try to make things better they hate us because we are there, we pull out and no one stands up to them and they take more land and gain more power and they still hate us. It's so phony and disingenuous to keep saying that the remarks of Trump are going give them more power and make them stronger. The fact that America exists makes them stronger. Yes there are countless muslim americans that are as peaceful and pro USA as the folks on this board, however there are plenty of peaceful muslims as well as Christians over in the middle east but that hasn't stopped that brand of radical islam from growing. It's a cancer and right now all we are really wanting to do is try to change our diet and hope that it cures it. I hate to break it to folks but it's not going to work and hasn't worked.

I have no clue what the answer is but it's not going to be easy whatever it is and sadly I don't think most folks have the balls make tough decisions and follow through with them. Sometimes the right decision is the ugly decision.

One thing is for sure, it won't be fixed with candle light vigils or by sitting down with them for peace talks.

 

[anon_ph7vrsh7abnty]

One thing is for sure, it won't be fixed with candle light vigils or by sitting down with them for peace talks.

This has never been fully tested. We'd have no idea.

We were completely wrong about the motives of the fighters in North Korea and Vietnam. We were wrong again in Iraq and Afghanistan.


Have you ever wondered if we've actually been listening to anything happening outside of the 50?

 

[MegaPoke]

Insert "foreigner muslim terrorist" for "gun" and I'm listening to some pretty drastic solutions. It really IS about the statistics.

There is so much fail in your reply.

First. I clearly said and put in bold, that my analogy was as regards "mass shootings" which is the flimsy, statistically insignificant event you personally always cite as the necessity for more gun control.

Second. This graphic you just posted shows "fire arms deaths" - the leading cause of which (around 65%) are suicides. A dedicated suicide victim will also happily suck on a tailpipe or hang himself in the absence of a gun, so those numbers are rejected automatically.

Third. Your ridiculous, context-less graphic also shows an overall decline in gun deaths (of all kinds).

Fourth. "insert foreiger muslim terrorist for gun" What the f*** are you talking about? The statement reads like it was generate in a russian to english phone app.

Fifth. You are right. It is about the stats, so let's see if we can't steer you back to the original point and throw some education at you.

Let's say there are 320 million Americans. Most estimates suggest that about 1/3 or 112 million Americans own guns. Now, the number flowing around the internet is 355 mass shootings a year which according to the FBI is horse shit and closer to 41, but let's go with 355 and round it up to 360 mass shootings a year in America.

As you know, these are almost always one crazy son of a bitch and when there are accomplices, it generally proves to be gang bangers or terrorism instead of a typical high profile "mass shooting." But, for the sake of stupidity, let's say there is an average of FIVE shooters involved in all 360 (again, a made up number) "mass shootings."

So with these ridiculously padded numbers in your side's favor, that comes to around 1800 "mass shooters." And let's also assume that every single one of these guys legally bought and owned their firearms - which we also know isn't true. But let's say they did. So we have 1800 mass shooters out of 112,000,000 gun owners.

That is .0000161% of gun owners in America hoss. Not sure if you've ever taken statistics from Brenda Masters at OSU, but that is not what you would call a statistically representative number. Add to the fact that it is pure speculation on your, obama's, and every other statist fartbag that gun laws would do anything to curb mass killings and you are absolutely without any meaningful statistic. I mean, none.

 

[MegaPoke]

Insert "foreigner muslim terrorist" for "gun" and I'm listening to some pretty drastic solutions. It really IS about the statistics.

Also, I would think to any adult that graph you just showed says way way more about the decrease of motor vehicle deaths than anything else. You realize it just got low enough to intersect with a relatively static and totally irrelevant different statistic right?

Good grief man. Maybe I've been giving you too much credit.

 

[JonnyVito]

They tried but DHL stopped a program 3 years ago due to political correctness.

But a year into the investigation, Haney said they got a visit from the State Department and the Homeland Security Office for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, who said that tracking these groups was problematic because they were Islamic.

His investigation was shut down and 67 of his records were deleted, including one into an organization with ties to the mosque in Riverside, Calif., that San Bernardino terrorist Syed Farook attended.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/12/...ted-ca-attack-if-government-didnt-cut-funding

Well look there a solution that didn't involve taking guns or making it hard to get guns for law abiding citizens and it would have stopped the deaths of 14 Americans.

Honestly I think Obama wants all these shootings and deaths because it really helps him promote his agenda and scare people into giving up their rights.

 

[AC_Exotic]

Well look there a solution that didn't involve taking guns or making it hard to get guns for law abiding citizens and it would have stopped the deaths of 14 Americans.

Honestly I think Obama wants all these shootings and deaths because it really helps him promote his agenda and scare people into giving up their rights.

He's working out of the old radical progressive playbook: "Never let a good crisis go to waste."

 

[MegaPoke]

Well look there a solution that didn't involve taking guns or making it hard to get guns for law abiding citizens and it would have stopped the deaths of 14 Americans.

Honestly I think Obama wants all these shootings and deaths because it really helps him promote his agenda and scare people into giving up their rights.

I don't think he wants them but he's sure happy to use them. Even if it takes a sledgehammer to fit s round peg into a square hole.

 

[BIGOSUFAN]

I was just shocked you would label country people from West Virginia as goat rapists. I was in Morgantown this year and, although I never went into these hollers, the people were awesome. I can't wait to go back. Of course, I'm not a goat.

@squeak

I used to live in Morgantown. It's very different than the rest of the state. Go five miles outside of Morgantown in any direction and adverpoke's description is spot on. It's a really f*cked up state in a lot of bad ways.

 

[Ostatedchi]

I did. They are very interesting and certainly under-reported. Those tool sheds should be shipped to Guantanamo with the rest of the terrorists. I am a big American liberties guy, but to me if you engage in terrorism of any kind in this day and age, you should be treated as a non-uniformed enemy combatant.

Anyway, my point was the argument against broad sweeping sanctions against Muslim immigrants in general because of the actions of a statistical minority is perfectly analogous to the argument against sweeping gun control laws because of the fear of mass shooters. In fact, I think the amount of evidence to support one or the other is incredibly disparate with gun control being an obvious loser, while muslim immigration is clearly something that needs at minimum, a vastly superior vetting system.

Also, if it seems like a reach to connect these two otherwise unrelated scenarios, I agree - but Captain Shitbird has made the connection several times and used an Oval Office primetime speech to attempt to link anti-terrorism plans with ordinary gun control agendas. He's an idiot, but he is the one that made the connection, so I think it's worth getting honest feedback from the board cheerleaders. I'll give @syskatine credit for showing up. The rest have gone to ground since the gerbil's speech.

Back to my analogy, I would think that American citizens with specifically enumerated rights should get the benefit of the doubt over Syrian refugees and various muslim immigrants, and yet people have no problem reflexively calling Trump's plan unAmerican and invoking Godwin's Law by comparing him to a modern day Hitler. Yet, no outcry over the Hitleresque gun control proposals submitted by shitbird himself. So selective, our spoiled and coddled citizenry. So open minded about some things and closed minded about others. Some traditional rights and ideals are so you know... American, while others "aren't who we are" CATCHPHRASE!

Damn Mega is bringing the funk AND the noise. So strong!
You said it better than I can.

 

[squeak]

@squeak

I used to live in Morgantown. It's very different than the rest of the state. Go five miles outside of Morgantown in any direction and adverpoke's description is spot on. It's a really f*cked up state in a lot of bad ways.

Well if people are banging goats, that's messed up.

 

[Headhunter]

This has never been fully tested. We'd have no idea.

We were completely wrong about the motives of the fighters in North Korea and Vietnam. We were wrong again in Iraq and Afghanistan.


Have you ever wondered if we've actually been listening to anything happening outside of the 50?

You're either super naive or the best satirist I've seen in a long while.

 

[davidallen]

I was giving your credit previously. You don't seem to want to recognize the meaning of words either. Plus, anyone that has known me in person or on the boards for a long time knows "liberal" is laughable.

Just FYI —- around here “liberal”===“I can’t quite comprehend what your are saying”

 

[AC_Exotic]

Meanwhile, our administration continues to block entrance of the most persecuted group in Syria -- the Syrian Christian community.

And yet Trump is still the evil one.

 

[Medic007]

Meanwhile, our administration continues to block entrance of the most persecuted group in Syria -- the Syrian Christian community.

And yet Trump is still the evil one.

Why would Barry want to bring in more of the group he hates the most? Those Christians are just an intolerant group of regressives that hate gays, people of color, atheists, abortion, support the NRA, hate welfare, etc.

We need more of those progressive Muslim people that are the polar opposite of those oppressive Christians...

 

[MegaPoke]

Just FYI —- around here “liberal”===“I can’t quite comprehend what your are saying”

That's funny considering the broad brush some of the board progressives paint with.

 

[Medic007]

That's funny considering the broad brush some of the board progressives paint with.

Not to be picky, but a few paint with their fingers.