Interesting Thoughts On Curing Climate Change

[Ponca Dan]

Things I have not heard discussed before.


https://marginalrevolution.com/marg...e-wisdom-of-ramez-naam-on-climate-change.html

 

[purkey]

Have some family in California who put up solar panels to provide electricity for their retirement lifestyle. Electric bill is about $50 to $100 a month depending on how much electricity they use. It’s a pretty cool system. However, they spent $38,000 for what they have and actually need to add more panels to get it to 100% of their electricity needed. It makes no economic sense to do this as they will never recoup what they have spent. Probably need another $10,000 to finish the job. It’s got to change but it won’t. I think they’re probably saving $3 to $400 per month so maybe after 15 years they’d break even. Of course, I don’t know what it does for the value of the house when they sell it. The upfront costs would prevent many from even thinking about doing it. Maybe the house value would solve the math.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Have some family in California who put up solar panels to provide electricity for their retirement lifestyle. Electric bill is about $50 to $100 a month depending on how much electricity they use. It’s a pretty cool system. However, they spent $38,000 for what they have and actually need to add more panels to get it to 100% of their electricity needed. It makes no economic sense to do this as they will never recoup what they have spent. Probably need another $10,000 to finish the job. It’s got to change but it won’t. I think they’re probably saving $3 to $400 per month so maybe after 15 years they’d break even. Of course, I don’t know what it does for the value of the house when they sell it. The upfront costs would prevent many from even thinking about doing it. Maybe the house value would solve the math.

Personally I never bought into the climate change alarmist hype, have always viewed it as a way for those statists who want to rule us to get another toe hold in their attempt to do so. What I found interesting in this article is the degree to which agriculture and manufacturing contribute. And yet we never hear much about it beyond jokes about cow flatulence. All the scorn is heaped upon consumers, especially American consumers. I view that as further evidence the statists are not so much concerned about climate change as they are about gaining control over society.

 

[imprimis]

Have some family in California who put up solar panels to provide electricity for their retirement lifestyle. Electric bill is about $50 to $100 a month depending on how much electricity they use. It’s a pretty cool system. However, they spent $38,000 for what they have and actually need to add more panels to get it to 100% of their electricity needed. It makes no economic sense to do this as they will never recoup what they have spent. Probably need another $10,000 to finish the job. It’s got to change but it won’t. I think they’re probably saving $3 to $400 per month so maybe after 15 years they’d break even. Of course, I don’t know what it does for the value of the house when they sell it. The upfront costs would prevent many from even thinking about doing it. Maybe the house value would solve the math.

Last year California mandated that all new homes have solar panels installed starting in 2020. People will not have a choice.

 

[windriverrange]

Personally I never bought into the climate change alarmist hype, have always viewed it as a way for those statists who want to rule us to get another toe hold in their attempt to do so. What I found interesting in this article is the degree to which agriculture and manufacturing contribute. And yet we never hear much about it beyond jokes about cow flatulence. All the scorn is heaped upon consumers, especially American consumers. I view that as further evidence the statists are not so much concerned about climate change as they are about gaining control over society.

Have never bought into the claim either PD. When this subject invariably comes up, my comments is always the same....do you drive a car? If yes, then I say stop. Do you understand how many things in your life are carbon based? When they don't and you go down the list with tennis shoes, paint, plastic, etc etc. they are shocked. Always end the discussion with "when I see you and all the people crying about carbon based industries actual stop using items made with some form of carbon derived from petroleum products, then I'll believe your serious. Otherwise, lets move on to something that's a real problem."

With regards to solar panels mandated on new homes in CA in 2020 going forward.....wow those people are nuts. Real estate there is already way over the top, now we're going to add another layer of cost on top of that. Reminds me of the electric car rebates, that still keep the car out of reach for a huge swath of the normal world.

These people are simply do-gooders and busy bodies, they want to control every phase of our lives because they thing they are smarter than you and I which by default means they know how to best run our lives. Whole lot of them suck.

 

[imprimis]

Always end the discussion with "when I see you and all the people crying about carbon based industries actual stop using items made with some form of carbon derived from petroleum products, then I'll believe your serious.

To do this, they would have to kill themselves since our bodies are composed of lots of carbon which we use daily.