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Guy lights himself on fire for Palestine

st he is not suffering inside his head any longer.
That's what people who commit suicide tell themselves. Thier torment will end.

It has just begun. His torment is 10000 times worse now than the fire he felt on earth.

He saw a sign just before his torment: abandon all hope, all ye who enter here.

He will be tormented every day and every night for all eternity. The justice of which makes the Saints rejoice.

His crimes were great. His torments will be all the greater. Christ offered him forgivness and eternal life. He choice death. He chose badly. He is in hell for all eternity. No Hope. No reprieve. Unrelenting.

Justice.
 
That's what people who commit suicide tell themselves. Thier torment will end.

It has just begun. His torment is 10000 times worse now than the fire he felt on earth.

He saw a sign just before his torment: abandon all hope, all ye who enter here.

He will be tormented every day and every night for all eternity. The justice of which makes the Saints rejoice.

His crimes were great. His torments will be all the greater. Christ offered him forgivness and eternal life. He choice death. He chose badly. He is in hell for all eternity. No Hope. No reprieve. Unrelenting.

Justice.

Are you Jesus?
 
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It is the unanimous opinion of the Church fathers for 2000 years that people who commit suicide go to hell. Take it up with 2000 years of Church tradition. You can disagree if you want. When your last act on earth is self murder you are toast.

How can a person go to a hell that your Pope claims doesn't exist?

Suicide is a horrible, tragic thing, we all agree. But are all suicides committed by souls destine for hell? Neither you or your beloved "church fathers" are the final judge and authority of a person's soul. That position is held alone by The One who sits on The Throne, Lord Jesus Christ. And nowhere in the Holy Bible does it mention that suicide will send a person to hell. Nowhere.

As for you and your devotion to your "church fathers", some of who may be in torment themselves, "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." Matt. 6:24

You can keep your overlording "church fathers". Good luck with that. I'll sick with Jesus Christ and God's written Word, with it's message of redemption, mercy, grace and pardon - and yes, the coming judgement.
 
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How can a person go to a hell that your Pope claims doesn't exist?

Suicide is a horrible, tragic thing, we all agree. But are all suicides committed by souls destine for hell? Neither you or your beloved "church fathers" are the final judge and authority of a person's soul. That position is held alone by The One who sits on The Throne, Lord Jesus Christ. And nowhere in the Holy Bible does it mention that suicide will send a person to hell. Nowhere.

As for you and your devotion to your "church fathers", some of who may be in torment themselves, "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." Matt. 6:24

You can keep your overlording "church fathers". Good luck with that. I'll sick with Jesus Christ and God's written Word, with it's message of redemption, mercy, grace and pardon - and yes, the coming judgement.
In osucaesar's defense he may have been taught that in church as was I. But I cannot speak for him. I don't believe it, my Dad committed suicide in 1987 when I was 20 yrs old. Going thru that then and even till this day is hell enough for anyone.
 
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In osucaesar's defense he may have been taught that in church as was I. But I cannot speak for him. I don't believe it, my Dad committed suicide in 1987 when I was 20 yrs old. Going thru that then and even till this day is hell enough for anyone.
So sorry to hear this. I knew you lost your dad at a rather young age, but never knew the details. One of my OU hall mates lost his 23-year-old son to suicide last summer. The only response I could fashion was “I have no words” because there are no words.

FWIW, my church (catholic) does not excuse suicide, but we also don’t ascribe the harsh penalty of eternal damnation as portrayed in popular culture.

I have CP’ed from the Catholic Catechism (a fallible document) the Church’s present position on suicide, which is consistent with what I learned 30-40 years ago in Catholic high school. I was unable to find the article/ writing, but some Catholic theologians have theorized that the human instinct for self preservation is so great, that a person who commits suicide suffers from a mental illness so severe that he/she could not possibly have formed the requisite “evil intent” that would constitute a sin worthy of eternal damnation, a position with which I feel compelled to agree.

“2280 Everyone is responsible for his life before God who has given it to him.
It is God who remains the sovereign Master of life.
We are obliged to accept life gratefully and preserve it for his honor and the salvation of our souls.
We are stewards, not owners, of the life God has entrusted to us.
It is not ours to dispose of.

2281 Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life.
It is gravely contrary to the just love of self.
It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations.
Suicide is contrary to love for the living God.

2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal.
Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.
Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.

2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. the Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.”
 
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So sorry to hear this. I knew you lost your dad at a rather young age, but never knew the details. One of my OU hall mates lost his 23-year-old son to suicide last summer. The only response I could fashion was “I have no words” because there are no words.

FWIW, my church (catholic) does not excuse suicide, but we also don’t ascribe the harsh penalty of eternal damnation as portrayed in popular culture.

I have CP’ed from the Catholic Catechism (a fallible document) the Church’s present position on suicide, which is consistent with what I learned 30-40 years ago in Catholic high school. I was unable to find the article/ writing, but some Catholic theologians have theorized that the human instinct for self preservation is so great, that a person who commits suicide suffers from a mental illness so severe that he/she could not possibly have formed the requisite “evil intent” that would constitute a sin worthy of eternal damnation, a position with which I feel compelled to agree.

“2280 Everyone is responsible for his life before God who has given it to him.
It is God who remains the sovereign Master of life.
We are obliged to accept life gratefully and preserve it for his honor and the salvation of our souls.
We are stewards, not owners, of the life God has entrusted to us.
It is not ours to dispose of.

2281 Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life.
It is gravely contrary to the just love of self.
It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations.
Suicide is contrary to love for the living God.

2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal.
Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.
Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.

2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. the Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.”

Not a Catholic, but this is an outstanding post. Thank you SiL.
 
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